A Phil-for-an-ill Blog – Predictive Programming in Movies

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Dark Knight 2008

RoboCop 1987

The Day the Earth stood still 2008

The Day the Earth stood still 1951

Survivors 2008

Transformers 2007

Cyborg Girl 2008

The Happening 2008

Bee Movie 2007

Death Race 2008

Independence Day 1996

Swordfish 2001

Things to come 1936

V for Vendetta 2005

Minority Report 2002

Into the Wild 2007

Gattaca 1997

The Devils Advocate 1997

Equilibrium 2003

Code 46 2003

Interpreting Movies – Predictive Programming – Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (2008 )

Interpreting Movies – Predictive Programming – Starship Troopers – Marauder (2008 )

Interpreting Movies – Predictive Programming – Cloverfield (2008 )

Interpreting Movies – Predictive Programming – Conspiracy Theory (1997)

Interpreting Movies – Predictive Programming – I, Robot (2004)

Interpreting Movies – Predictive Programming – Shoot em Up (2007)

Interpreting Movies – Predictive Programming – John Rambo (2008 )

Interpreting Movies – Predictive Programming -The Invasion (2007)

Interpreting Movies – Predictive Programming – The Kingdom (2007)

Interpreting Movies – Predictive Programming – Soylent Green (1973)

Interpreting Movies – Predictive Programming – Johnny Mnemonic (1995)

Interpreting Movies – Predictive Programming – 28 Weeks Later (2007)

Interpreting Movies – Predictive Programming – 300 (2006)

Interpreting Movies – Predictive Programming – Children of Men (2006)

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came across this site last week..i havent researched all of the movies yet..so im throwing this out to the readers now to do some leg work..check out the theories and tell us which ones are the best..excellent work by the author..

401

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~ by seeker401 on June 3, 2010.

14 Responses to “A Phil-for-an-ill Blog – Predictive Programming in Movies”

  1. I have to disagree about V for Vendetta…..it was my belief that this moving was foretelling what is/or could be down the road….not programming us for it….and certainly the movie was about fighting back, not acceptance.

  2. Ok, I stand corrected……he breaks it down very effectively…..I didn’t take it as programming, but he makes a solid argument.

  3. so what he thinks of Orwell 1984? circa 1949

  4. I read the “Dark Knight”. It’s interesting. I wonder if “predictive programming”, though, needs to be re-worded. For instance, the Batman comic series has been around for what? 100 years maybe. I don’t know when the first Batman comic book came out. Also Batman movies have been around for a long time. Now this could all be one longgggg march to a military police state, which the author mentions as a possible predictive program. The author also ties Batman into all secret organizations, ie. Blackwater, CIA, etc…. Gov’t type covert agencies. Makes sense. Yet back to the concept of “predictive programming”. I think it’s a better argument, at least for what I think now, to focus on what the author brought up a lot which is “justification”. The movie does provide a lot of arguments which was part of the author’s article. The argument of how Gotham needs a Batman and the scene at the dinner table where the actors, Dent brought it up, how Rome had to suspend democracy in order to maintain law. One actress says, yes and that was Caesar who didn’t step down. The argument by Dent was that tyranny is sometimes necessary in order to maintain law and order. This isn’t so much so “predictive programming”, but I think it’s more a dialogue. A persuasive argument put out there for the public to watch and if the public is not wise enough, then the public will make the same kind of arguments. For example another point the author made was the scene in which Batman spies on all citizens to track down the Joker. He has his engineer assistant watch and listen through all the cell-phones of all people to listen in on where the Joker might be. There was an argument between Batman and the engineer on this. The engineer says it was wrong. Batman argues that it is necessary. The engineer, which is ironic, says it’s wrong, but then once given the power to do it, the engineer does it. The engineer is a hypocrite. Says it’s wrong, but then does it. The deed is not following the thought. Yet I know some people that have actually argued this is good to do, to spy on people, because the terrorists need to be caught and this kind of thing is necessary (the whole Bush and Patriot Act spying, Wiretapping that went with it, etc….).

    What I think these movies do is provide the arguments and justifications of what is happening in the world on a symbolic, spiritual level, meaning, the events may not be as full blown military state as Gotham turned into in order to catch the Joker (remember the national guard was called in, etc….). It’s a fantasy film. But it is providing deeper level arguments and justifications. And if some people or enough people are not wise enough, then these kinds of arguments could take sway. They could be what people think are right. These kinds of films provide the story, the information to explain what is happening. People are always looking for reasons to ‘why’ things are happening the way they are in the world and sometimes movies strike the audience member in such a personal way that it helps explain what is happening in the world to such an individual. It gives them an answer. All stories from the ancient times back to hunters and gathers have been myths or stories to explain the world, to give answers for what is happening, to explain to our minds that need knowledge in order to know what is going on. Movies are the recent story givers. The are the recent answer givers to what is happening in life. But in stories like the Dark Knight, is the story mirroring the underlying moral necessity or heartfelt, love that all people desire? Is it reaching into the very being that we are and providing a happy ending? Is the moral of the story providing wise ways in which to deal with the current realities of life? Are the arguments and justifications wise or do they sacrifice liberty, justice, and love because the terrorists, criminals, or jokers in life need to be dealt with in ways that if people give up some of their liberties then somehow these criminals will finally be able to be dealt with? That giving up a little liberty now somehow makes the world a better place in the long run – that’s double-think. It’s a contradiction of logic. How does giving up liberty make more liberty and peace? It doesn’t.

    So I don’t know if it’s predictive programming. I think it is to a degree, meaning, if some people accept what the story argues, then yes, it will end up being that way. But if people are wise enough, know it’s a fantasy story, and get their information from more truthful sources, then these kinds of films are simply fun, but not to be the authority on how to live our lives. It is this spontaneous spirit in people’s lives, this liberty, and the choices people make; and if people still realize what is good and bad, then this wisdom that people have push back against these kinds of arguments and justifications found in films. It is the wisdom and heartfelt love that people in their normal daily activities, not getting down and out, but feeling generally joyful and experiencing happy things in life, ie. family time, playing outside, enjoying the company of ones neighbors, etc…. These all push-back and are wiser than the kind of justifications and arguments found in some of these kinds of films. It’s only predicative programming if people let it be. If predicative programming means self-fulfilling prophesy, then yes it happens. And if it means that their are corrupt people that are trying to push society into destructive, unjust directions, then true. Yes that happens. But they can’t do such massive scale acts unless lots of people consent that giving up liberty means gaining liberty and peace. Once lots of people believe A is B and giving up liberty is gaining liberty, once lots of people believe that and are dupped into that argument being correct, then it will happen. But as long as people get their information from more truthful sources and see the wisdom in being kind to other people, then no, it won’t happen.

    Long but that’s what I think.

    • “For example another point the author made was the scene in which Batman spies on all citizens to track down the Joker. He has his engineer assistant watch and listen through all the cell-phones of all people to listen in on where the Joker might be. There was an argument between Batman and the engineer on this. The engineer says it was wrong. Batman argues that it is necessary. The engineer, which is ironic, says it’s wrong, but then once given the power to do it, the engineer does it. The engineer is a hypocrite. Says it’s wrong, but then does it.”

      bang..thats it..the end justifies the means..that type of thought is danger..

      “All stories from the ancient times back to hunters and gathers have been myths or stories to explain the world, to give answers for what is happening, to explain to our minds that need knowledge in order to know what is going on. Movies are the recent story givers. ”

      like the video series you linked me to with the guy discussing the ancient story tellers

      perhaps it should be called social programming not predictive programming?

      • social programming sounds more on target. good insight.

      • What are the sources of knowledge now-a-days? Our minds are sponges til the day we die always getting knowledge about the world non-stop. Is the knowledge making the heart hardened due to so much threat or are there places or people to turn to in order to feel and rest the mind in peace with? All is a story and movies are trying to shape that story. How wise a person is in order to push-back on the stories around us in any shape or form that our minds are absorbing telling us what the world is like. What kind of story is being told to us? Scary camp-fire stories? Nightmares to keep people up wondering what boggie-man will crash through the windows or front doors? Or are some people getting to hear and experience loving stories where the birds sings songs all day in the wilderness, crickets sing, wind flutters leaves, and children laughing and playing while mother and father enjoy and praise life! It’s a battle over who’s story gets told. I want the story of this creation told where the wind soothes the heart and joy sings as a family hug happens. That’s my story. :-)

      • i like that story..but yeah..we dont see “wholesome” stories so to speak..and when we do they are canned as being to soft or a fantasy..we are told life is a bitch and hard and that we are surrounded by evil things..well thats not true to a degree..you can disassociate from evil if you want to..like blowing up your tv :)

      • exactly seeker.

        “we dont see “wholesome” stories so to speak..and when we do they are canned as being to soft or a fantasy..we are told life is a bitch and hard and that we are surrounded by evil things..”

        – so true!

        “you can disassociate from evil if you want to.”

        – Yes! That’s the push-back. Give peace, allow your creative, unique person come out of the turtle shell, peek around the world, and establish what we want which is a safe, beautiful, loving world. I know that’s the kind of people I want to be around. I don’t want to be around people that try to kill me, but love me. Common sense, right!

        Thanks for the awesome response seeker! :-)

      • you probed it out of me mate..well done yourself

  5. this is from Vigilantcitizen about music is good as always for Vigilant and some plp in this blog i think will like it because of the artist
    When Insiders Expose the Ugly Side of the Entertainment Industry

    http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=3925

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