IF THE SPACE SHUTTLE IS DOOMED..DO YOU TELL THE CREW?

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/if-space-shuttle-doomed-do-you-tell-crew

A NASA top official wrestled with what he thought was a hypothetical question: What should you tell the astronauts of a doomed space shuttle Columbia?

When the NASA official raised the question in 2003 just days before the accident that claimed seven astronauts’ lives, managers thought — wrongly — that Columbia’s heat shield was fine. It wasn’t. Columbia, NASA’s oldest shuttle, broke apart over Texas 10 years ago Friday upon returning to Earth after a 16-day mission.

But the story of that question — retold a decade later — illustrates a key lesson from the tragedy, says Wayne Hale, a flight director who later ran the shuttle program for NASA.

That lesson: Never give up. No matter how hopeless.

And to illustrate the lesson, Hale in his blog tells for the first time the story of his late boss who seemingly suggested doing just that. The boss, mission operations chief Jon Harpold, asked the now-retired Hale a what-if question after a meeting that determined — wrongly — that Columbia was safe to land despite some damage after takeoff.

“You know there is nothing we can do about damage to the (thermal protection system),” Hale quotes Harpold a decade later. “If it has been damaged, it’s probably better not to know. I think the crew would rather not know. Don’t you think it would be better for them to have a happy successful flight and die unexpectedly during entry than to stay on orbit, knowing that there was nothing to be done until the air ran out.

When Harpold raised the question with Hale in 2003, managers had already concluded that Columbia’s heat shield was fine. They told astronauts they weren’t worried about damage from foam insulation coming off the massive shuttle fuel tank during launch, hitting a wing that allowed superheated gases in when the shuttle re-entered the atmosphere. No one was aware of the seriousness of the damage at the time.

This was a what-if type question that conveyed a fatalistic attitude about the heat shield system being unfixable, which was “a wrong-headed cultural norm that we had all bought into,” Hale said in a Thursday telephone interview.

“There was never any debate about what to tell the crew,” he said.

In fact, NASA officials were overconfident in the heat shield on Columbia. A day after launch, NASA saw video of the foam from the shuttle’s fuel tank hit the shuttle wing, something that had happened before. NASA officials studied the damage and determined it wasn’t a problem.

NASA managers even sent the crew a 15-second video clip of the foam strike and “made it very clear to them no, no concerns,” according to the independent board that later investigated the accident. Eight times, NASA had the opportunity to get a closer look at the damage— using military satellites — and NASA mistakenly ignored those chances to see how bad the problem was, the accident board concluded.

And had NASA realized the severity of the problem, the space agency would not have just let the astronauts die without a fight or a word, despite Harpold’s hypothetical question, Hale said.

“We would have pulled out all the stops. There would have been no stone left unturned. We would have had the entire nation working on it,” Hale said. Ultimately, Hale said he thinks whatever NASA would have tried in 2003 with limited time and knowledge probably would have failed.

And the astronauts would have been told about the problem and their fate had engineers really known what was happening, Hale said.

When NASA started flying shuttles again, Hale told the new team of mission managers: “We are never ever going to say that there is nothing we can do.”

NASA developed an in-flight heat shield repair kit.

The space shuttles were retired in 2011. Harpold died in 2004.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Columbia_disaster

The loss of Columbia was a result of damage sustained during launch when a piece of foam insulation the size of a small briefcase broke off from the Space Shuttle external tank (the ‘ET’ main propellant tank) under the aerodynamic forces of launch. The debris struck the leading edge of the left wing, damaging the Shuttle’s thermal protection system (TPS), which shields the vehicle from the intense heat generated from atmospheric compression during re-entry. While Columbia was still in orbit, some engineers suspected damage, but NASA managers limited the investigation, on the grounds that little could be done even if problems were found.

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10th anniversary of the event..after reading this article i think its pretty clear that they knew exactly what had happened and decided not to tell the astronauts.. knowing that it would explode upon re-entering the atmosphere..they had no tricks to fix it..they were really in an orbital coffin..it was just a matter of time..the guy harpold who is quoted..i cant find any information on..he died one year later..

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8 Responses to “IF THE SPACE SHUTTLE IS DOOMED..DO YOU TELL THE CREW?”

  1. back in college we celebrated the crash of the challenger – complete with model space shuttles and a few firecrackers. i suspected something was up because that was the one that had a teacher on board and they had practically all the kiddies in the country watching it live. never quite put my finger on what it was though.

    when columbia happened, the media went crazy telling us all about the israeli filth that was onboard.

    glad they are dead.

    there’s really no excuses for serving the empire in that way. I know that none of us are clean, but being an astronaut for the greater glory of the empire is just inexcusable.

    • Negative trauma energy to the max with Challenger. Was that around the time of the start of the Iraq war?

  2. Those who control everything in the world want us trapped here. That is why they make space travel appear more difficult, dangerous and expensive than what it really is. If we all knew that traveling to space was just as easy as John Travolta flying his own jets; we would not only be able to escape their tyranny; we would be able to easily destroy them from space with ground penetrating radar, nuclear weapons, rods from God, et al, and then return to an earth free of the New World Order and live peacefully and free. Columbia disaster? I call shenanigans. Why did they say the astronauts were in a flying coffin and would have just run out of air and died? Why didn’t the astronauts who spent large amounts of time in space aboard the Spacelabs, Mir and ISS run out of air and die? Speaking of the ISS – why couldn’t the Columbia dock with the ISS and wait there for a pick-up? Felix Baumgartner skydived from space, but they couldn’t have? We have a fleet of space shuttles and other secret spacecraft. Why couldn’t another craft have been sent up to retrieve them? The world possesses an arsenal of rockets. Why couldn’t they have been used to launch oxygen tanks and fuel cells for the Columbia crew? Why do I have these ideas, but not the NASA rocket scientists? Shenanigans, I say!

  3. http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2125684/pg1

    • I had seen a few thing about this but thanks for the link. They have presented some amazing clues. I was going to post the Mercedes commercial today, it’s eerie. I knew of the trip tik in Da Vincis last supper, it’s also common in Masonic buildings.

      http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sum_of_All_Fears_%28film%29

      Uh huh..

      Thanks mate.

      • yup, clearly the superbowl will be just like the olympics and comet elenin. *cough*

        i would bet on the ravens btw, because as we all know if the niners win it will be another huge bull market ahead, past 14660 to 30,000+. but that’s, like, really unlikely and stuff so ravens will probably win. :)

      • wild synchronicities though..i expect nothing..but beyonce singing nuclear..wtf?

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