Did the Roman Empire become the Roman Catholic Church?


Vatican City is a landlocked state within the city of Rome, Italy. It is governed by the Bishop of Rome (called the Pope).

It is the smallest sovereign state in the world.

Caesar Constintine began the “corporate takeover” by renaming all the old Roman offices, this evolution of name changing still occurs. Name changing allows a person to hide their tracks of origin.

Roman Empire offices & their modern names:

Roman Empire (Imperium Romanum) renamed: Roman Catholic Church

Curia (legal body of Senators) slight name change: Curia (legal body of Cardinals)

Roman Emperor renamed: Roman Pope (head of all church and state affairs)

Civil government matters of state: Extra-Ordinary affairs (matters of civil-state governments)

Religious orders matters: Church “ecclesiastical” matters

Roman College of Senators renamed: College of Cardinals

Magistrate of College of Senators renamed: Dean of College of Cardinals

Departments of the Roman Senatorial Curia renamed: Congregations

Political Ambassador renamed: Pro-Nuncio (highest civil ambassador sent to other governements, ie Wash.DC, London etc)

If a government has not signed a treaty with Rome which makes the Romans the head of the foreign country as certified in the Roman Code of Canon Law. This rebel nation which has no official ties has an ambassador called an Apostolic Delegate. The United States and the United Kingdom never allowed the Vatican to serve as their legal head until President Reagan quickly signed into law on January 10, 1984. This Treaty for the very first time in U.S. history recognized full diplomatic relations between the United States and the Vatican State.

In 1534 when the United Kingdom realized that the Treaty with the Vatican City-State made them subject to all the Popes rules they voided the treaty. Formal plomatic relations between England and Vatican State were broken. Full diplomatic relations with the the Pope’s Vatican State were never restored for 448 years until 1982.

Roman Senators renamed: Cardinals

Roman Governors renamed: Archbishops

Roman Senator with no territory: Bishop (Code of Canon Law 376)

(Large) Roman Province renamed: Archdiocese

(Small) Roman Territory renamed: Diocese

Imperial Chair of Jupiter where Caesar sat renamed: Throne of St. Peter

Vestal Virgins renamed: Nuns

Pontifex Maximus (high priest of College of Senators) renamed: Supreme Pontiff of College of Cardinals

Pontiff or “high priest ” of a pagan religious order (Zues, Apollo, Diana, Mars, Jupiter, Baal, Dionysys, Pythia etc) same name: Pontiff

A Pontiff (Latin: “pontifex”) means bridge-builder or priest between man and the gods of the underworld.

The Roman Calender and Holy Days of the gods renamed: Calendar Holidays of the Saints

Voice of the gods speaking through Caesar: Ex-Cathedra: Voice of God speaking through Pope

Meeting of the Pontiffs (high priests) of the pagan religious orders renamed: Ecumenical Council of the Bishops

Legal act of creating a god (of a living or dead human, as was done to most of the Caesars) “Apotheosis of the Gods” renamed: Canonization of the Saints

A decree of Caesar (dictator for life): Pope’s infalliable Dogma

Praying to a dead human god renamed: Praying to a saint

In the US the highest law of the land is the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, in the Vatican State the Constitution is called the Code of Canon Law.


well did they?

a good argument is made here by the author..


~ by seeker401 on November 23, 2009.

37 Responses to “Did the Roman Empire become the Roman Catholic Church?”

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  2. Rome has become the Catholic church! Why is it so hard to see?The Roman church has engaged itself in a series of wars to liberate constaninople and Jerusalem .The Roman church called it a Holy war but where in all that Jesus wrote about was there ever anything about waging war on unbelievers?Also Rome under the Catholic church fought the eastern empire in its “holy war” they rome sacked constaninople and murdered fellow christians in the name of the catholic church.These acts have soured relations with orthodox church for centuries and most people when a person brings up that they are christian most people who are not christian bring up the bloody history of the Catholic Church ! The Catholic Church the way it acts in the past and now show that the Roman Empire has never ended! I believe the catholic church has fooled over a billion people into believing that the catholic church is ordained by God and no doubt there are good people who are within the ranks of the catholic church but the hierarchy of the church is built upon a bloody past of holy wars and inquisitions against christian as well as jewish people suffered mightily as this “christian” church ? destryed them! No,the Roman empire has always been with us ,can a lepord change his spots?Can Rome hide its brutal self and call itself a church?

  3. thank you! I thought i was the only one who knew this for 5 damn years. my research was right ugh. now only if people can now link the rest of history to paint the picture. their is more to this then you know trust me now just think about Hitler and him thinking he was Alexander the great reborn…. anyway thank you!

  4. Funny I am watching “Mankind The story of all of us” and reading Thomas Penn’s book “Winter King” The Dawn of the Tudor England and suddenly it hit me! Roman Empire = Roman Catholic Church. I kind of feel foolish never having this thought before. Good little piece of writing. Definitely something worth looking into. What a great trick if it’s true. Reminds me of the saying the greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world he didn’t exist.

    • yeah i like that last sentence..pertinent..

      i am a believer that rome never went away..it just became the RCC..and the usa is another extension of this..rome wasnt built in a day and its never faded away..

  5. i wrote a essay about this way back in highschool. the roman empire is the roman catholic church. In 800ad the pope even named charlemagne the holy roman emperor. so obviously they had that power

  6. I have come to this realization in just the last few years. I left the church in 1969. I am now 82 years old. For years I was angry at the church for the control of me and the rules that ultimately killed my wife because of our adherence to those rules. The church made a sin of almost every action a human can express. I did not search the web until today ( 2/28/13) so
    I amextremely happy that I have learned and have my cofirmation that there are others oout there who think that I know that the Roman Catholic Church is the continuation of the Roman Empire. The trappings and titles of the church are also a confirmation of my thinking. Thank you.

    • your welcome edward..when studied it starts to look very obvious..rome didnt die off..it just changed its design..and rome came from egypt and romans founded the UK and the UK created the USA..religion CAN be used as a controlling tool..no doubt..and thats not confined to the RCC only..all of the religions of the world are open to being used..legalism is the tool..

  7. To seeker 401:
    I am incredibly elightened by your pointing out the similarities between the Roman Empire and the Roman Catholic Church of the nomenclature of
    religious titles of the clergy and other similarities. I would like you to
    take it a bit farther and see if the vestments a priest puts on before he says
    mass are a carry over from the Roman Empire rituals. I was an altar boy when I was young and I wondered why all these garments were required.
    If you haven’t already seen it go to Netflix and get the documentary
    “Zeitguist” (sp?). It has a wonderful segment on religion and calls one to the
    attention that the RMC is based on sun worship. Notice that the day of
    worship was not the Jewish day (Friday/Saturday). Note that the RMC
    Day of worship is SUNday. Also, for the longest time I thought christ was Jesus’s last name. I believe christ means the annointed one and is a Greek word. Also, The name Jesus was used infrequently; it was almost always
    christ. Is confession also a Roman ritual, and benedicton and etc. of many other practices carried over from the Roman Empire rituals?

    I hope you taker my challenge.

    • Yes I have seen zeitgeist. The movie is good but also was made with a certain agenda in mind. But it does show some truth.

      You will note the 3 great religions of the world all have priests who wear dresses. Islam, Christianity and Jewry. That’s significant.

      Yes the sabbath was changed to SUNday. There is a lot of celestial symbolism in the RCC. Many of the rituals are pagan based and would have come from Egypt and then to Rome and then into the Vatican. I was always told there was one god and not to worship man yet this is the direct opposite to the RCC who want you to worship the pope as god and pray to the Virgin Mary and the thousands of statues they have of her.

    • The confessional is not biblical and was a control tool and also a perfect blackmail tool. The great ploy of the Jesuits was blackmail.

      I believe that the RCC and its billion followers are 99% genuine people who want to be Christians but are being led away from what was originally Christianity.

      There are also similarities with the Isis Horus Seb story and the story of Jesus which you may like to research. You will see the letters IHS in the RCC all the time.

      Be inquisitive and search for truth but don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. And keep in mind that sometimes people like the zeitgeist makers are pushing an agenda of their own as well.

      • IHS = Iota Eta Sigma, the first three letters is Jesus’s name in Ancient Greek. Definitely not at acronym in a language created hundreds of years later.

        • i dont think i said that it wasnt..i just pondered this:

          There are also similarities with the Isis Horus Seb story and the story of Jesus which you may like to research. You will see the letters IHS in the RCC all the time.

          thanks for the comment..

  8. Yes, I have also begun to think that the Pope of Rome and the RCC were and are the continuation of the Caesars and the Roman Empire, if not in actual bloodlines, they are in spirit, as it is called the Holy Roman Empire in history, with the Pope crowning kings such as Charlemagne of France, and ordering the “Holy” Crusades, un-Christlike wars, against the Mohammedans, and criticizing Mohammed as violent by Pope Benedict who just retired, with his successor, Argentine born Cardinal Bogolio of Italian descent, now Pope Francis. Yet the way the POpe and Cardinals wear those skull caps and keep the dead crucified body of Jesus on the Cross makes me think that the RCC is Judaistic, Jewish, a huge branch religion of the Old Testament, not New as all. Where do they portray the Resurrected Jesus as much?
    Yet even further, observing the U.S. Capitol buildings and other U.S. States’ capitol architecture, it is mostly so Roman in design, even a greater expansion of ancient Rome, with the whole government designed just like the Caesars = President, senators = senators, and congressman = the publicans or whatever they were called in Rome, and most deadly serious is the American worldwide military empire of 1,000 military bases all over the world controlling the smallest to the greatest of nations – now transformed into Babylon the Whore and her harlots, with her ultimate capital that great city Jerusalem which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt where also our Lord was crucified: read Revelation 11:8; Rev 16, 17, 18, and back in Isaiah and Jeremiah the prophets writing of Babylon and Jerusalem and Jesus Himself, what He spoke about the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem.
    Read Revelation, Daniel, Matthew 24, New Testament Epistles of the Apostles, and so many Old Testament books to connect the dots that becomes the circle of history, from the beginning to the Ending.

  9. Rome and the Italian peninsula was conquered by the barbarians (the Germans) a few centuries after Christ, ending the Roman Empire in the West. The Roman Empire did continue in the East (the Greek world) with Constantinople as the capital. This became the peaceful and devout Christian civilisation which we now call Byzantium and the Eastern Orthodox Churches. They preserved original Christianity and were never involved in crusades, inquisitions and all of the violence, destruction and ‘reforms’ that we associate with “The Roman Catholic Church” (which is really the German Barbarian conquerers of Rome Church), in fact they were victims of much violence and persecution at the hands of “Catholicism”. So remember, the Roman Empire organically became Byzantium Orthodox in the East. In the West it was violently changed to the Germanic barbarian church which today has the name “Roman Catholic” – not to be confused with the ancient Roman Empire, and not to be confused with the real Greek world “Catholic” which means Christian fullness – which can be found in Orthodox churches.

  10. There is no doubt the Roman Catholic Church is the Roman Empire, lets dig a little deeper .. “ From whence came the Roman Empire? “


    William Beeston – 1853

    Unspeakable, then^ must our astonishment be,
    when we perceive, that this grand secret was certainly
    discovered, and disclosed, more than twelve hundred
    years ago; that the true answer to the question
    been returned, and even registered in writing, before
    the birth of Christ; that the response proceeded
    neither from Greek nor Roman, but from the
    DESPISED JEW ; that it has been preserved to us
    in the JEWISH TARGUMS ; that it exists amidst
    the fables and impieties, the absurdities and the
    blasphemies, of the JEWISH TALMUD ; and that
    it may be comprehended in these twenty words:

    ” The descendants of Esau,” say the JEWISH
    RABBINS,* ” the sworn enemies of the descendants
    of Jacob, even to the end of the world, were at first
    a small nation, inhabiting Mount Seir and the
    adjacent country, contiguous to the land of Canaan.
    They were easily confined within their own limits,

    * A11en*s Modern Judaism ; London, 1816.

    so long 843 the Israelites ei\joyed a great and
    formidable empire in Canaan : but, after that the powerful
    republic of the twelve tribes had been destroyed by
    the Assyrians and Babylonians, they wonderfully
    increased in numbers and in strength ; extended
    their dominion in the West; subjugated Italy;
    founded Rome, and the Roman Empire; and at
    length entirely overturned the Jewish state, the
    Second Temple being destroyed by Titus Vespasian ;
    and, professing the religion of Jesus Christ, which
    they were the first of all nations to embrace, they
    hold Jacob m captivity till MESSIAH BEN DAVID
    shall appear. “* The Rabbins further assert, that the
    prophecies of the prophets against Esau, Edom, and
    the cities of Edom, have as yet received but a
    partial accomplishment; and that they will obtain
    their fulfilment in the punishment and destruction
    of ROME CHRISTIAN : they designate the Eternal
    City IMPIOUS ROME; they denominate her empire
    IMPIETY; and they believe, that the SON OF
    DAVID will not come until this IMPIOUS KING-

    and PAPAL ROME has done her utmost to suppress it: but without success.


    I have been unable to find any additional source supporting this claim but many Jew websites do support the claim of the Talmud rabbis. Why would they make such a claim?
    This is part of the end time script based upon the biblical prophecy in the book of Obadiah proclaiming JACOB / ISRAEL complete destruction of the EDOMITE descendants of ESAU by holocaust.

  11. Catholic church as the empires are lasting at the present times

  12. Emperor Constantine Was the First Pope!!

    Caesar is Pope!!


  13. Unbelievable 2009.

  14. Connecting the dots…

    “Caesar Constintine began the “corporate takeover” by renaming all the old Roman offices, this evolution of name changing still occurs. Name changing allows a person to hide their tracks of origin.”

    …and Pope Francis signed a Motu Propria banishing all corporations globally in 2013.


    • The Roman Catholic Church did adopt the Roman Empire ideology of political power. It was gradual, some Popes did more to corrupt the Roman umbrella than others, but eventually it was solidified by what we now understand to be the Roman Catholic Church at the Council of Trent. One additional to the ‘connect the dots’ is there are different ways to understand the church-state relation. RCC holds the church governs the state, which is called the Papacy. Erastianism is the other extreme, which the Church of England and Lutherans hold. Erastianism adheres to the formulation that the state governs the church. In church history, the topic is called ‘the power of the keys’. Others, that I would say are more Biblical, hold to the church has its’ sphere and the state has its’ sphere. They are separate, but not divided. They are to be friendly and cooperate with other, but the two are not to over step their distinct order, jurisdiction, and boundary given from God.

      • I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute, where no Catholic prelate would tell the President (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote, where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference – and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the President who might appoint him or the people who might elect him.

        I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant nor Jewish – where no public official either requests or accepts instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches or any other ecclesiastical source – where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials – and where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act against all.

        — John F. Kennedy
        Christopher Hitchens, an atheist political commentator, wrote, “How dismal it is to see present day Americans yearning for the very orthodoxy that their country was founded to escape.”

  15. I cannot believe how ignorant this article is and how ignorant all the comments are. The Catholic Church was persecuted for centuries by the Roman empire, but you believe that the emperor was the pope? Ridiculous! There is an unbroken line if popes in the early days and also of Roman emperors. Anyone who can read a history book has only to see that. And the popes and emperors were not always in agreement either. You do realize that the Roman empire survived long after the Catholic Church was established. Especially since it was established by Christ Himself.

    The Roman senators became the first Cardinals? Huh? They had none of the same morals or objectives. The Romans were pagans, the Catholic Church is Christian.

    Vestal virgins, nuns. It’s so laughable. What do you know about nuns? Obviously nothing.

    A priest a bridge between man and the underworld? How about between man and God?

    The pope is not the high priest of pagan gods, but the representative of Christ on earth.

    If you know any Latin at all, you would know that ex Cathedra means from the chair, meaning the chair of St. Peter. Not “from the gods”.

    When the Catholic Church canonizes a saint, they definitely do NOT create a god, but rather states that the person was a friend of the one true God and is in heaven.

    When Catholics pray to a saint, we do not pray to a “dead god”. Rather an oxymoron, dont you think? By definition, a god cannot die. When Catholics pray to the saints, they are simply asking them to ask God to grant their requests. Catholics only believe in the one true God.

    Please, get your facts straight and stop spreading your propaganda. Then maybe you won’t look so ridiculous.

  16. This is an interesting topic. It would be helpful to have a timeline for the changes to the names of offices and etc. to see when and how these changes occurred and to what degree the connections you are making were recognized during the time period the takeover you describe was happening.

  17. […] The Roman Emperor, also called Caesar, was renamed Roman Pope. Senators were called Cardinals, there…Dean of College of Cardinals. Roman Governors were renamed Archbishops. The Imperial Chair of Jupiter where Caesar sat was renamed and is still called the Throne of St. Peter, trying to cover itself in Christian terms. Let us discuss this Catholic is Christian deception again. Why the Throne of St. Peter, a heretic whom the Roman Empire only a hundred years earlier had crucified for being a follower of Christ? When the Elite have to save face, when their corruption has become too exposed, they must change face. Change name, change president, change king, change location, change the outside appearance so they can continue thriving under our noses. They often use the most popular movement of the people, infect it and attempt to destroy it. When they can’t destroy it, then they simply take the name. We have seen this in Anonymous and have explained how it happens extensively. You can’t kill an idea, especially when the idea is truth which frees the people of all elite controls, mental, physical and spiritual. About 300 years before the followers of Christ began to sweep across the Roman Empire, after a man called Christ was crucified for being a heretic, a political dissident, in Rome’s state of Israel. He spent his adult life creating mayhem for the elites who had a solid grasp on the Judaic religious sects at that time and used that religion to control the people and make profit from them. He exposed the religious as well as the political leaders and sects to the citizens and He destroyed the markets and buildings the elite had corrupted. He taught what humanity was supposed to be, without this corruption. How we can all be free from the elite’s control. All those who attempt to be free are silenced by the elite, sooner or later. Crucifixion was used long before the Roman, Babylonian and Assyrian Empires, and has always been a favorite method of the elites. After this, two of His followers, Peter and Paul, traveled the Roman Empire for a while, teaching people about this and starting communities and churches. One of their friends, Linus was the first bishop of their church in Rome. As the message spread, and people realized their enslavement and became freed, Rome began to have issues with them. Rome attempted to hold back this uprising by crucifying any who claimed to follow Christ. The Romans labeled them Christians, using them for human sacrifices in the Olympic Games, but this only made the message spread bringing even more up within the Roman Empire. Slowly each of Christ’s followers were murdered as well. Peter was crucified, Paul was beheaded and so was Linus. Much bloodshed happened during the hundred years we skipped over in this video. […]

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