The 9/11 Mural Van: Rabbit Hole or Memory Hole?

As the 9/11 story has unfolded, it has offered us intrigue after intrigue. The course of the truth movement has taken many turns in the last ten years, with waves of truth and disinformation shaping the debate. Along the way, it’s been interesting to watch which stories stuck around, and which stories faded away.

The story of the 9/11 Mural Van appears to be fading away – or perhaps it is being pushed down the memory hole. It is one of the most intriguing mysteries of that day.

The only official account of the Mural Van is in the Mineta Transportation Institute’s “Saving City Lifelines: Lessons Learned in the 9-11 Terrorist Attacks” document which says:

“A panel truck with a painting of a plane flying into the World Trade Center was stopped near the temporary command post. It proved to be rented to a group of ethnic Middle Eastern people who did not speak English. Fearing that it might be a truck bomb, the NYPD immediately evacuated the area, called out the bomb squad, and detained the occupants until a thorough search was made. The vehicle was found to be an innocent delivery truck.”

Note the inherent contradiction in the account; the truck “has a painting of a plane flying into the World Trade Center” – and this is 9/11 – yet it “was found to be an innocent delivery truck.” It’s also quite stunning, since we now know that the “innocent” van exploded that day. Not only that, but there were “remote control planes” with “explosives” that day as well.

We know this because a man named Robert Stanford, who was the Emergency Coordinator for the New York City District Amateur Radio Emergency Service recorded several hours of police and fire radio transmissions, including this:

Shortly after the 3:00 mark, you can hear the following:

“the plane just exploded in the air”

“explosives on King and 6th Avenue”

“one of those remote controlled planes filled with explosives”

Note that King and 6th Avenue is well away from the unfolding disaster further downtown at the World Trade Center.

After many requests for information about “that remote controlled plane,” at 5:16 the events get even stranger:

“It’s a big truck with a mural painted of an airplane diving into New York City and exploding. Don’t know what’s in the truck. The truck is in between 6th and 7th on King Street.”

“with a mural painted .. .airplane .. diving into New York blowin up .. two men got out of the truck .. ran away from it, we got those two under”

“good good”

“you got those… you holding those two guys?”

“got them under let’s get some units…”

“…fucking beat the shit out of them…”

“you alright over there?”

“we have both suspects under… we have the suspects who drove in the van, the van exploded, we have both of them under, let’s get some help over here”

“I’m sending you ESU there, I just wanted to make sure you and your guys  all right over there”

“we have both of the …driven .. that exploded …”

“what location?”

“King Street between 6th and Seventh”

Surprisingly, this story is rarely brought up in 9/11 truth circles; nor have debunkers succeeded in debunking it. What happened to the two “middle eastern” suspects who were caught in a van which later exploded? What does the van have to do with “remote controlled airplanes filled with explosives?”

Exploring this particular rabbit hole has started to lead to dead ends. Robert Sanford moved to the San Francisco Bay Area and ran a site called, but it is no longer available. His recordings were put up on but have since been taken down, though they are still available on  The few sites that do mention the story tend to use a graphic (and somewhat ridiculous) representation of the van and present it as a photo of the actual van. The most detailed transcript pointed to was hosted on, which ironically was taken down by hackers in 2009, never to return – not even at

Starting at around 5:00 you will hear the following…

officer: [inaudible] I got a message on that uh plane,
its a big truck with a mural painted of a of a airplane diving into New York City
and exploding [inaudible] know whats in the truck, the truck is in between 6th and 7th on King Street
officer: [inaudible] 10-5 10-5
officer: with a mural painted uh airplane diving into New York blowing up. Two men got outta the truck
ran away from it, we got those two [inaudible] under.
officer: kay great.
officer: we got both suspects under kay, we have the suspects who drivedrove in the van and that exploded
we have both of them under kay lets get some help over here
officer: now Im sending you [inaudible] I just want to make sure you and your guys all right over there kay, thats all.
officer: whats the location [inaudible]
officer: put em up, put em up
officer: you know we have both the [inaudible] driven that exploded. Is that correct?
officer: what location?
officer: location [inaudible]
officer: [inaudible] location [inaudible]
officer: King Street between 6th and 7th
officer: King Street and 6th and 7th avenue, King Street and 6th and 7th avenue
officer: [inaudible] on the scene King 6 and 7, which unit are you kay?


thanks to xxx for the link..

i had never heard of ths mural van story before..but it happened..and there is evidence..”remote controlled planes filled with explosives” cant hide the truth can you?

what do you think? i am not sure of the authenticity of the picture of the van..even had the AA logo..but its a wild story to go alongside the rest of the anomalies of that fateful day..


~ by seeker401 on June 16, 2011.

50 Responses to “The 9/11 Mural Van: Rabbit Hole or Memory Hole?”

  1. […] Robert Sanford moved to the San Francisco Bay Area and ran a … … Excerpt from: The 9/11 Mural Van: Rabbit Hole or Memory Hole? « Follow The Money ← Drill Guide | RC Airplanes & […]

  2. Thanks for posting this seek… it’s an important story that needs to stay alive. I think it’s kind of odd that AJ, Rivero, and others have not covered this.

    Have you heard of the “you did great” phone call recording? Perhaps I’ll send you one on that little 9/11 mystery as well…

    • that is a great video..thankyou

    • hmmm so is that the real van finally? thanks for posting that…

    • More like a rabbit hole

      Q: why did they detonate the van? and why is the van filled with explosives.
      why are the pros getting caught so easily running aimlessly in the streets of NY whilst the biggest event of the century was just being unraveled. Why not document the event from another apartment? Why paint the mural onto the van?

      • even weirder than that… what’s up with the remote-controlled toy planes which also exploded… seems like some bizarre analog to the real planes hitting the towers.

        and stranger still, when seek posted this back in 2011 it was already an almost forgotten story. the authenticity of the recordings has never really been in question, and they have never been debunked. besides that, the first part of the story – discovery of the mural van and its occupants – is also present in official documents from mineta. so then why has this story almost completely disappeared from the truth narrative?

        it’s because that narrative has been under coordinated assault from day one, an assault that continues to this day with cass sunstein’s ‘nudging’ initiatives.

        • mate..i can go up to anyone on the street and if i ask how many buildings fell they will tell me 2..not 3..tptb know the sheep will only eat up what they see on tv..and not what they dont see..

  3. I have been trying to find a still photo of this mural van. The videos containing photo of this van seem to be all taken down from YouTube. I still would like to know when this video of the van was taken and who took it. This van supposedly exploded right after the two occupants were apprehended so it had to be taken before it exploded, I guess.

    I just feel that the three incidents involving the Israelis and the Mossad and Urban Moving Systems seem to be incidents designed and planted to point the finger at the Mossad and then having it play out as it did with all 5 suspects being let off and sent back to Israel. Somehow they were all being very very obvious and almost begging to call attention to themselves and to be apprehended.

    If the Mossad in collusion with the top levels of US government agencies planned and executed 9-11, then it seems to me that these 3 Urban Moving Systems vignettes seem to be a deliberate part of their overall plan, to lead us down rabbit trails and keep our focus off of other more obvious deceptions about the events of 9-11.

    There are many things about 9-11 official story that we should not take at face value. These 3 events involving the Urban Moving Systems white van seem to be part of the official story and for that reason I do not think we should take them at face value, that is, that some Israeli Mossad operatives were planning to blow up the George Washington bridge or use explosives around WTC site. These 3 events, even the way they now seem to be fading from record on the Internet and not talked about much anymore, look like psy-op events designed to channel our thinking in their desired direction.

    Sure would like to see a still photo of that mural van.

    • lol, the hasbara gets more and more creative…. “…incidents designed and planted to point the finger at the …”; “These 3 events involving the Urban Moving Systems white van seem to be part of the official story …”

      since when do any defenders of the “official story” even include these incidents in their narrative?

      it sounds more like you’re trying to track down and ‘debunk’ this story, using some kind of bizarre zio-logic. evidence of israeli connections are actually evidence of an attempt to blame israel??? …when blaming israel is a marginalized position, even within the 9/11 truth movement?

      a photo of the van matters not one iota. we have the description from the recording of police transmissions, and there is a ton of documentary evidence on UMS. hasbara shill fails again.

      • I can see that reason and logic and thorougly examining evidence is not the name of the game here. Just call people names and make absurd accusations.

        The fact is that the photo in the videos of the mural on the van is important and needs to be verified. It would be better to have a still photo and trace down its origin but appears that it only exists in a video.

        • it would be great to see a still but lack of it doesnt discount the story imo..its a side issue which if anything is to throw truth seekers away from more damning facts and anomalies..

      • “since when do any defenders of the “official story” even include these incidents in their narrative?”

        thats it right there..

      • “I can see that reason and logic and thorougly examining evidence is not the name of the game here. Just call people names and make absurd accusations.”

        the existence of the van is confirmed by the police radio recordings. it would be nice to have more information, but there isn’t anything missing which would cause us to believe the van didn’t exist. instead the lack of a verified photo is a hook to hang your hasbara hat on.

        when you say that israeli involvement is part of the “offcial story” then it is you who is making absurd accusations. if that’s the official story, what’s the secret-but-true conspiracy? 19 angry arabs? total fucking hasbara joke! then you add this little kicker:

        “There are many things about 9-11 official story that we should not take at face value”

        ahhh, see? the van story is part of the official story, and we all know that ‘there are many things about [the] 9-11 official story that we should not take at face value’! lol … even though we *do* have the evidence.

        i know that your talmud and your teachers have taught you that non-jews are stupid cattle, and that you can use completely backwards logic with us, and that it’s acceptable to do so because we are somehow less human than you. but as time passes your zio-talmudic minds tricks won’t work anymore. i guess you’d better accelerate your “rod of iron” strategy before you have to use you “samson option.” huh, bitch?

  4. Hadn’t heard about this one before. xxx I don’t think it’s fair to say that blaming Israel is a marginalized position, anymore. It’s just not something many people are prepared to say out loud! 🙂 My favorite damning anomaly is the phonecalls from the plane.

    • Super tech in 2001!

    • i work in an office with ~100 middle class duhmericans. i have spoken to about half of them about 9/11. not a single one thinks that anything but the official story is true (the real official story, not dochsielady’s bullshit official story). i am only able to talk about israel with two of them, because if i mentioned that israel was the most likely culprit, the most likely outcome for me would be to lose my job.

      the same reaction will follow you if you mention israeli involvement at a standard 9/11 truth meeting. any mention of the i-word or the z-word gets you instantly branded as an anti-semite.

      meanwhile, the former head of the us army war college says ‘the izzys did it’ and no one listens.


  5. “This video is no longer available because the uploader closed their YouTube account.”

  6. pretty sure, this image is not the real van that exploded that day.
    but what abot the two guys driving it ?? what happend to them, any documents by the NYPD ?

    • the urban moving van picture is legit i believe..but who would really know?

      2 guys went back to israel i presume..

  7. Thank you for the information. Who, if they were of sound mind, would dare to create such a mural and photograph it AFTER 9/11? The police radio conversation and the Dept. of Transportation document indicate there was such a truck and it did explode. Two men ran away from it but were caught. Why did the Israeli owner of Urban Moving Systems get a half million dollar loan (I also read it was a grant)? He disappeared back to Israel right away and the arrested which DID include Mossad were sent back after being held for 71 days. A few of them confirmed their jailing on Israeli Television.

  8. It is not the actual van, pic of the actual van is here:
    it is white and (apparently) says Urban Moving Systems on the back of it (pic is not large enough for me to see it clearly). the fbi docs re the dancing israelis

  9. Reblogged this on Patriot News II.

    • After studying Sandy Hook and several other false events of late, I am now convinced that several sub-scenarios fed to us about what happened on 9-11 are now inserted false stories to further mislead and deceive. The mural van, the dancing Israelis, Alan Sobrasky and the way we were led down the path to suspect the Israeli – Mossad. The Israili-Mossad connection and involvement in pulling off 9-11 was indeed very real but not exactly the way they fed it to us.

      “Crisis actors” were used extensively in 9-11 but I did not think so at the time.


  11. […] […]

  12. Where are the police and ESU reports for the King Street mural van incident? Somebody needs to request them under the freedom of information act.
    I think they said the van exploded, not the plane exploded. But, maybe I’m wrong.

    • Please realize that the Freedom of Information Act is a thing of the past. Wolfgang Halbig spent three years of his life and over thirty thousand dollars in trying to get “free and open” records on the Sandy Hook event to no avail, other than to provide us with a clown act by Corrupticut officials obfuscating and miscarrying justice big time.

      • I stopped listening to Halbig as soon as he got close to Fetzer who is clearly and obviously a disinfo agent.

        Yes, shenanigans went down at sandy hook. But I’m supposed to trust a guy who lays down with “no-planes” people? Nope.

        As for your delusional statement that we were somehow led (falsely) to see an israeli connection, that’s very obvious hasbara bullshit, as we have already been through in the comments above.

    • Someone did go through the process of requesting the reports for this incident. He got responses but was never given any information. Eventually he gave up but encouraged others to try. I’ll post more on this when I can.

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: Logo

You are commenting using your account. Log Out /  Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out /  Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out /  Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out /  Change )


Connecting to %s

%d bloggers like this: