Vilna Gaon: The Russian invasion of Crimea is a sign of impending redemption


On Purim (Monday March 17th), Rabbi Moshe Shternbuch, Head of the Rabbinical Court of Jerusalem, allowed a secret to slip out. He peeled back the curtain and offered a peek into a tradition handed down from his grandfather, the Vilna Gaon, a prominent 18th-century Kabbalist:

“Even though I am careful not to share the mysteries, I feel that this is something I am permitted to reveal..This was something Rabbi Isaac had received directly from those who heard it from the mouth of the Vilna Gaon, who said, shortly before his passing:

“’When you hear that the Russians have invaded Crimea, you will know that the bells of Redemption have begun to ring. When you hear that the Russians have reached Constantinople (Istanbul, Turkey, as it is called today), you can already don Sabbath clothes and await the appearance of Moshiach.’

“Last week the Russians invaded Crimea and the world slept… According to our tradition from the Vilna Gaon, this is a sign of impending redemption … Perhaps what the Gaon meant by ‘bells of the redemption’ is like a bell that signals the arrival of someone or something.”

Adapted for easier understanding for readers of all level of familiarity with the tradition from the presentation and translation of the teaching in English by Rabbi Pinchos Lipschutz

An article in Hebrew on the Purim sermon can be found here.


curious stuff here..and with blood moons and purim things arent looking that good for a peaceful future right now..thoughts on this prediction? a kabbalist would know wouldnt he? 🙂


~ by seeker401 on March 29, 2014.

256 Responses to “Vilna Gaon: The Russian invasion of Crimea is a sign of impending redemption”

  1. Not redemption, but the Antichrist is coming. He is slithering his way out of the Ukraine and into Belgium. Nostradamus was also a Jew, and made his predictions by the stars in the Universe, God’s great clockwork. I’m betting on Nostradamus.

    Belgium is the perfect country for the Antichrist to appear. The Chateau Amerois (the Mother Of Darkness Castle) in Belgium is the perfect home for the Beast.

    Do your homework, and pleasant dreams…..

  2. Hello Seeker401.

    I hope that I’m not being unkind here, but prophecy is a fool’s game if there ever was one.

    The best way to do prophecy is to predict the past. A good example of this is the Book of Daniel in what we call the bible, and this is well known to biblical scholars, and can be discerned by the historical errors and accuracies in Daniel’s content (details can be provided if needed, but this should be known to anyone who knows their bible and its origins).

    This kabbalic stuff has the stamp of the occult all over it.

    The kabbala is pretty much an occult document and practice, and for what it’s worth, “green” is the kabbalist colour for victory — does that give a clue to you about a particular global agenda we all hear about?

    Also, bells are used in spell-casting, such as the spell that was cast at the start of the recent London Olympics opening ceremony, and the spell that is symbolically cast at the elevation of the host in the Catholic mass.

    Of course, given that geopolitical events are created and manipulated by a millennia-old elite that doesn’t share its agenda with us, who knows what way things will jump.

    All the best, and thank you.

    Andrew Farquharson.

    • thanks andrew..posted this more for its use of crimea and obvious connections to now..not because i would follow it..with blood moons and purim i thought it was in a quirky way pertinent.. 🙂

      ““green” is the kabbalist colour for victory — does that give a clue to you about a particular global agenda we all hear about?”

      uh huh..

  3. Hello Seeker401.

    Yeah, I have to agree with you about Purim and blood moons and all that.

    It’s like waving a flag with “Nutter” on it.

    Thanks as always.

    Andrew Farquharson.

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  5. What puzzles me is what was Putins intent on having the vote in Crimea on Purim? This is not insignificant .. pur meaning ‘ lot ‘ as in casting of lots as in voting and Purim a celebration of preemtively slaughtering enemies.
    This is not coincidence ..

  6. Ashkenaz, Khazar Jews seem to have quite a history in Crimea ..

    Isaac Abrabanel commenting on Genesis 10:3 equates the “Qasari” in “Ashkenaz” with Gazaria, “below” (south of) the Azov Sea. In the 16th to 17th centuries “Gazaria” and “Crimea” were synonymous. This late usage led the Russian historian N.M. Karamzin (1816) to regard the Crimea as the ultimate domain of the Khazar kings, lost in 1016. After C.M.Y. Fraehn (1822) had dated the downfall of the Caspian Khazars to 969, the period 969–1016 was left for the duration of the mythical Crimean kingdom, considered from that point forward as Jewish….

    Crimea as a Potential Jewish Homeland
    The Crimean peninsula was, for decades, a potential Jewish homeland. After Catherine the Great conquered Crimea from the Ottomons in 1783, she encouraged Jewish settlement to the region. In the following century, tens of thousands of predominantly young Jews moved to this part of “New Russia.” By the late 1800s, Crimea had become a thriving training center for future Zionist pioneers who used the land to test agricultural techniques before they relocated to Palestine. In fact, Joseph Trumpeldor once trained potential migrants in the Crimea. The Soviet Politburo was even behind the idea and accepted a proposal to establish a Jewish Autonomous Region in the Crimea in 1923, though it later reversed the decision. Even so, from 1924 until 1938, the Joint Distribution Committee – through the American Jewish Joint Agricultural Corporation and its American Jewish financiers – supported Jewish agricultural settlements in Soviet Crimea.

    • “The Crimean peninsula was, for decades, a potential Jewish homeland. After Catherine the Great conquered Crimea from the Ottomons in 1783, she encouraged Jewish settlement to the region. In the following century, tens of thousands of predominantly young Jews moved to this part of “New Russia.” By the late 1800s, Crimea had become a thriving training center for future Zionist pioneers.”

      damn! why the fascination with crimea..the geography? or the old pyramids? 🙂

    • This was because it was during her reign that Russia acquired Poland and Lithuania, which included at that time the majority of the european jews: the massive influx of jewish now-citizens was considered disrupting, many laws were passed restricting their employment and residence. Better the Crimea than the capital.

  7. Crimea also happens to be directly north of Israel

  8. Seems to me the Ashkenaz / Zionist Communists, are ‘redeeming’ the world, piece by piece for themselves and enslaving and killing off either literally or economically all the rest of us.

    • You seem quite paranoid. No, the truth is that the “Zionists” are merely Jewish people who have expressed their national self-determination (a universal right enshrined in international law) by retaking their ancestral homeland to build a sovereign state. The amount of garbage propaganda directed at Israel is astounding.

      • Propaganda is owned and controlled by the Political and Warmongering Zionist Jews.

      • @intriguedbyr: Ok then, keep repeating that if it makes you feel better.

        This is a little out of date now, but you can easily go look up the companies and see who owns them all now: the overall picture is essentially the same.
        scroll through for comments, some are linked, otherwise, again, go look it up for yourself.
        As for international law:
        As for ancestry, it’s nowhere near pure enough to warrant your claims of entitlement:

      • Jake, It doesn’t make me feel ‘better’ to state that fact. Quite frankly, I find the entire political movement repulsive. You bring up Universal Rights in International Law, but those rights belong to ALL humans, not just Zionists living in Israel. Israel is a farce. Shimon Peres works undercover as a Knight Malta as do many of these ‘actors’ who pretend to lead.

        It is my personal belief that regular everyday ‘Jewish’ people, are merely scapegoats being used by those who call themselves ‘Jews’ for evil, political, coercive and divisive purposes. It all comes down to control, power and MONEY!

        The Jewish people I know don’t promote racism like Zionists do. This type of behavior is not exclusive to ‘Jews’ either. It’s what colonialists do to keep the people of the world from uniting and throwing them behind bars where all of these ‘democracy’ loving thieves and tyrants belong.

      • @NomNomNom

        We know who we are, and our national identity is not race-based. Epic fail.

      • @intriguedbyr: We must define the word “fact” differently. Zionism is the national liberation movement of the Jewish people, nothing more nothing less. FYI: I don’t support the likes of Shimon Peres, guiding Israel, and 7 million Jews along with it, into the arms of the globalist cabal, but that is the action of one man I condemn. The average Zionist Jew is an innocent human being fighting for freedom.

      • your words, clown: “expressed their national self-determination (a universal right enshrined in international law) by retaking their ancestral homeland to build a sovereign state.”

      • @NomNomNom: I don’t have to be a direct descendant of George Washington to call myself American. Nor do I have to be a direct descendant of Moses, David, or Bar Kochba to call myself a Jew. Kapish?

      • Well Jake, you sound like a Haifa student paid to troll the boards to me, or you THINK you speak for the majority of Jews. Do you consider yourself to be a Jew by religion, or is it your party?

      • A place is one’s “ancestral homeland” only when one has ancestry from it. Yet the ancestry of the jews migrating to Israel in the modern era is far less indigenous than that of those already present there. Therefore a claim of ancestral entitlement cannot in any way supersede that of those already there.
        One would not need to be a descendant of George Washington to be an american: but one would have to be a descendant of americans to be an american, or else one would need to be born here: but if the latter then one could not be making a claim of ancestry. Your argument is crap.
        In fact your whole conversation is crap, and no one here is buying any of it. Go tell whoever sent you you failed.


          In his book, Sand manages to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that the Jewish people never existed as a ‘nation-race’, they never shared a common origin. Instead they are a colourful mix of groups that at various stages in history adopted the Jewish religion.

          In case you follow Sand’s line of thinking and happen to ask yourself, ‘when was the Jewish People invented?’ Sand’s answer is rather simple. “At a certain stage in the 19th century, intellectuals of Jewish origin in Germany, influenced by the folk character of German nationalism, took upon themselves the task of inventing a people ‘retrospectively,’ out of a thirst to create a modern Jewish people.”(2)

          Accordingly, the ‘Jewish people’ is a ‘made up’ notion consisting of a fictional and imaginary past with very little to back it up forensically, historically or textually. Furthermore, Sand – who elaborated on early sources of antiquity – comes to the conclusion that Jewish exile is also a myth, and that the present-day Palestinians are far more likely to be the descendants of the ancient Semitic people in Judea/Canaan than the current predominantly Khazarian-origin Ashkenazi crowd to which he himself admittedly belongs.

          Astonishingly enough, in spite of the fact that Sand manages to dismantle the notion of ‘Jewish people’, crush the notion of ‘Jewish collective past’ and ridicule the Jewish chauvinist national impetus, his book is a best seller in Israel. This fact alone may suggest that those who call themselves ‘people of the book’ are now starting to learn about the misleading and devastating philosophies and ideologies that made them into what Khalid Amayreh and many others regard as the “Nazis of our time”.

      • @seeker401: Sand “deconstructs the myth” of the Jewish people, yet he admits there was a semitic people in Judea. No wonder he is a laughingstock. Listen you anti-semitic POS, you can sit on your blog that no-one reads and trash the Jewish people all day. No one is stopping you, just don’t think you or your Islamist mercenaries will ever take our land again. The “Nazis of our time” are the same as the Nazis of our parents time, and they are spreading the same half-wit BS propaganda about Jews except with a nice little anti-Zionist twist. Maybe its time you realize the dream of annihilating the Jews is over. We have our land back, and one of the strongest most sophisticated armies and intelligence orgs in the world watching our backs.

        • i wear your hate like a badge..i didnt even censor your racist dont know me..i can have an opinion..just like you do..i think we hit a nerve didnt we?

          i am an islamist mercenary eh? lol..please..i dont want to annihilate anyone..i want Zionists to stop trying to annihilate everyone..

          nobody reads my blog eh? but you came here..and over 5 million hits says you are very much wrong..

          have a nice day jake..

      • @seeker401: There was nothing racist in my comment. Yes, you hit a nerve when you compared Jewish nationalists to Nazis. That sick racist slur is uncalled for. Read my comment again, Islamists are guided my Nazi ideology, they are mercenaries of the 4th Reich. If you weren’t clouded by hatred of Jews, you would dig a bit deeper and realize that Zionism is not threatening the world, it is merely the scapegoat. The real culprit is truly evil and counting on half-wit masses to continue blaming the Jews for all their problems.

        • “Listen you anti-semitic POS”
          “you or your Islamist mercenaries”
          thats racism to me..i was offended..

          jake..i didnt write anything..i copied text from the link..I DIDNT WRITE IT! go back and have a look..

      • ffs are you back here again? You are on the wrong blog, dipshit. Go here. I’m sure one of them will suit.

  9. More curious stuff … Rabbi Moshe Shternbuch is anti-zionist …

    Neturei Karta opposed the establishment of and retain all opposition to the existence of the so-called “State of Israel”!

    The world must know that the Zionists have illegitimately seized the name Israel and have no right to speak in the name of the Jewish people.

    NETUREI KARTA International Jews United Against Zionism

    • He gets a tick then for that thought process.

    • The Neturei Karta are a miniscule fraction of a Hassidic sect called Satmar, which itself is a miniscule fraction of the Jewish people. They reject the state of Israel while the overwhelming vast majority of Jews worldwide accept it as their national sovereign homeland.


  11. As a majority of Jews identify themselves as Askenazi, let’s allow the Ashkenazi Jews to identify themselves

    Ashkenazi Jews
    It is estimated that in the 11th century Ashkenazi Jews composed only three percent of the world’s Jewish population, while at their peak in 1931 they accounted for 92 percent of the world’s Jews. With 16.7 million Jews prior to World War II, their numbers were reduced dramatically when some 6 million Ashkenazi Jews were killed in the Holocaust.
    Statistical figures vary for the contemporary demography of Ashkenazi Jews. Some sources place Ashkenazim as making up approximately 83–85 percent of Jews worldwide, while Sergio DellaPergola in a rough calculation of Sephardic and Mizrahi Jews, implies that Ashkenazi make up a notably lower figure, around 74%.Other estimates place Ashkenazi Jews as making up about 75% of Jews worldwide. Ashkenazi Jews constitute around 35–36% of Israel’s total population, or 47.5% of Israel’s Jewish population.

    If so many Jews identify themselves as Ashkenazi, it begs the question … Who is Ashkenaz ? For the answer The Jewish Encyclopedia is referenced …

    A people traced back (Gen. 10:3; I Chron. 1:6) through Gomer to Noah’s third son, Japheth. In Jer. li. 27, 28, it is mentioned in connection with the kingdoms of Ararat and Minni and with the Medes as being hostile to Babylon. The Targum to the passages in Gen. and Chron., the Talmud (Yer. Meg. i. 71b) and Midrash (Gen. R. xxxvii.) identify it with Asia; that is, the Roman province (Asia propria or proconsularis), consisting mainly of the districts of Lydia, Phrygia, and Caria….

    While in the Targum, Talmud, and Midrash, Togarmah is identified with Germania (the identification, three instances in all, being clearly based on similarity of sound), the medieval Jews (as, for example, Yosippon) understood by Ashkenaz the Teutons.

    Although the migration of the Ashkenazi may be in dispute, the lineage is clearly identified, they are descendants of Japheth one of Noah’s three sons.

    Gen 10
    1 This is the account of Shem, Ham and Japheth, Noah’s sons, who themselves had sons after the flood.
    2 The sons of Japheth: Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshek and Tiras.
    3 The sons of Gomer: Ashkenaz, Riphath and Togarmah

    Now the issue of inheritance must be determined as the land was promised to Abraham who descended from Shem. The lineage of Shem continues through Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Although Jacob had a twin brother Easu who was firstborn, Easu sold his inheritance to Jacob. Easu then took wives from the Canaanites. The Canaanites were descended from Noah’s son Ham whose son Canaan was cursed by Noah. Easu became father of the Edomites and lived in the Land of Canaan. Jacob’s name was changed to Israel and his descendants were known as Israelites. Easu regretted selling his inheritance to His brother and sought to kill him three times but was unsuccesful.
    It is clear the descendants of Noah’s sons Japheth and Ham and the descendants of Esau have no claim to the land promised as an inheritance. The Ashkenazi claim to the inheritance is unsupported by the Torah.

    Divine promise
    The promise that is the basis of the term is contained in several verses of Genesis in the Torah. In Genesis 12:1 it is said:
    The LORD had said to Abram, “Leave your country, your people and your father’s household and go to the land I will show you.”
    and in Genesis 12:7:
    The LORD appeared to Abram and said, “To your offspring [or seed] I will give this land.”
    Commentators note that it is to Abram’s descendants that the land will (in the future tense) be given, not to Abram directly nor there and then. However, in Genesis 15:7 it is said:
    He also said to him, “I am the LORD, who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans to give you this land to take possession of it.”
    And in Genesis 15:18-21 the boundary of the promised land is clarified in terms of the territory of various ancient peoples, as follows:
    On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram and said, “To your descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates – the land of the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaites, Amorites, Canaanites, Girgashites and Jebusites.”

    This is not a case of mistaken identity but a case of identity theft. To expose the identity of the thief The Jewish Encyclopedia is quite revealing …

    A tribe of Palestine, mentioned in the time of Abraham as possessing a part of the promised land (Gen. xv. 19). At the Exodus it inhabited the vicinity of Sinai and Horeb; and to it belonged Jethro, the father-in-law of Moses (Judges i. 16). In Ex. iii. 1 Jethro is said to have been “priest of Midian” and a Midianite (Num. iv. 29); hence the conclusion seems justified that the Midianites and Kenites are identical. The Kenites journeyed with the Israelites to Palestine (Judges i. 16); and their encampment, apart from the latter’s, was noticed by Balaam (Num. xxiv. 21-22)….

    According to the critical interpretation of the Biblical data, the Kenites were a clan settled on the southern border of Judah, originally more advanced in arts than the Hebrews, and from whom the latter learned much. In the time of David the Kenites were finally incorporated into the tribe of Judah (I Sam. xxx. 29; comp. ib. xxvii. 10). Their eponymous ancestor was Cain (Kain), to whose descendants J in Gen. iv. attributes the invention of the art of working bronze and iron, the use of instruments of music, etc. Sayce has inferred (in Hastings, “Dict. Bible,” s.v.) that the Kenites were a tribe of smiths—a view to which J’s statements would lend support.

    The Kenites, then, were a nomadic tribe, more advanced in the arts of life than Israel. Their habitat, according to the first Biblical reference to them, was in the Sinaitic peninsula (unless Horeb is to be sought in Edom), and a part of them, viz., Jethro and his family (Num. x. 29-32; Judges l.c.), migrated with the Israelites to the neighborhood of Jericho, afterward settled in the south of Judah, and were finally absorbed by that tribe.

    Members of a family descended from Hammath, the progenitor of the house of Rechab; otherwise known as the Kenites (I Chron. ii. 55), who were the descendants of Hobab (Jethro), the father-in-law of Moses….
    In the Talmud.
    —In Rabbinical Literature:
    God’s promise that the Rechabites “shall not want a man to stand before me forever” (Jer. xxxv. 19) is interpreted by R. Jonathan to mean that they shall become scribes and members of the Sanhedrin. Other rabbis say the Rechabites married their daughters to priests and had grandchildren in the priesthood (Yalḳ., Jer. 323). Jonathan’s appears to be the accepted view, as the Rechabites became scribes (I Chron. ii. 55) and sat with the Sanhedrin in the granite chamber (“lishkat ha-gazit”; perhaps the same as the chamber of Hanan) of the Temple. The names of the subdivided families, the Tirathites, the Shemeathites, and the Suchathites (ib.), are appellations indicating their learning and (in the case of the last-named) their custom of living in tents (Mek., Yitro, ii. 60b; Sifre, Num. 78 [ed. Friedmann, p. 20a); Soṭah 11a). R, Nathan remarked that God’s covenant with the Rechabites was superior to the covenant with David, inasmuch as David’s was conditional (Ps. cxxxii. 12), while that with the Rechabites was without reservation (Mek., l.c.).

    So here The Jewish Encyclopedia identifies the KENITES / RECHABITES as descendants of CAIN further identified as scribes and members of the Sanhedrin.

    • “Now the issue of inheritance must be determined as the land was promised to Abraham who descended from Shem. The lineage of Shem continues through Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Although Jacob had a twin brother Easu who was firstborn, Easu sold his inheritance to Jacob. Easu then took wives from the Canaanites. The Canaanites were descended from Noah’s son Ham whose son Canaan was cursed by Noah. Easu became father of the Edomites and lived in the Land of Canaan. Jacob’s name was changed to Israel and his descendants were known as Israelites. Easu regretted selling his inheritance to His brother and sought to kill him three times but was unsuccesful.
      It is clear the descendants of Noah’s sons Japheth and Ham and the descendants of Esau have no claim to the land promised as an inheritance. The Ashkenazi claim to the inheritance is unsupported by the Torah.”

  12. As the issue of inheritance is clearly defined as the seed of Abraham, his descendants clearly identified as the nation of Israel, known as Israelites. Israel is not a piece of real estate but a people related by blood who because they intermarried with pagans and incorporated their worship were exiled and are known as the lost tribes of Israel, but never were they called ‘ Jews ‘.

    The word Jew is assumed to mean Israelite.
    It is Israel that the Father favors, the term Jew began in the dark
    ages to describe those who kept a form of the Hebrew faith. By that time, true Israel had long been scattered and
    had lost their identity. The only people around keeping some semblance of Torah during the Dark Ages when the
    word “Jew” was coined were the Khazars, a fierce nomadic tribe from southern Russia.

    Here is a historic timeline.

    In 70 A.D., the last of the 12 tribes of Israel were scattered, the first 10 leaving the scene some 700 years earlier.
    These 12 tribes are lost to history, not retaining their true identity. In the 4th century, the papacy came to power,
    thinking to change times and laws, confusing the calendar.

    Between 700 and 900 A.D., the King of the Khazars sent out messengers asking representatives of every major
    religion to present themselves before him. The Khazars were looking for a national religion, and wanted to see what
    was available. As fate would have it, they selected the religion of the Babylonian Rabbis.

    Did you catch that? The 12 tribes had been scattered some 700-900 years previous, yet the Khazars adopted
    Judaism, a form of the Hebrew religion. The problem was that the only ones practicing any form of the Hebrew
    religion at that time were the Babylonian Rabbis.

    The Khazars became known as “the Jews” during the Dark Ages, not because they were Israelites by race or even
    because they worship YHVH, rather, it is because they adopted the half pagan religion (the Talmud).

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  14. A DNA study concluded: “The study emphasizes that Ashkenazi non-Levite Jews in general do not have a major Khazar or European origin in their Y-DNA. . .” Apart from the historical evidence proving that a vast majority of present-day Jews did not descend from the Khazars, there is now also genetic evidence. Among the Jews there is the class of priests called Cohanim who served in the Temple and who now carry surnames such as “Cohen” and many variations on that name. Cohanim comprise of about 5% of the male Jewish population. There are strict rules of marriage for the Cohanim and the title is only passed through the male line. Also, converts cannot become Cohanim (but their children will be if they have a Cohen as a father). The priestly line is descended directly from the Aaron of the bible so it is expected that all Cohanim would carry some common genetic features.

    In recently published work (1) it was found that 54% of self-identified Cohanim had common genetic features that were revealed by analysis of their DNA. Specifically, a component of the Y-chromosone, an allele YAP+ DYS19, was identified that showed up only 1.5% of the time in Cohanim but 18.4% of the time in a random selection of non-Cohanim Jews and there were other genetic differences apparent as well. (The same differences were apparent for both Sepphardic and Askhenazic Jews also proving a common origin pre-dating a later split between the two groups.)

    The large number of Cohanim among present-day Jews and the fact that they have a common genetic lineage traceable to Israel at the time of the Temple, demonstrates that modern Jews come from a population pool derived from Israel and not from the Khazars. The Khazars could not have developed their own lineage of Cohanim anyway, since being a Cohen is a male-inherited status which converts (the Khazars) could not have obtained.

    (1) Skorecki K; Selig S; Blazer S; Bradman R; Bradman N; Waburton PJ; Ismajlowicz M; Hammer MF (1997) Y chromosomes of Jewish priests. Nature, 385:32.

    Anti-semitism (the hatred of Jews) runs deep with some, and the idea that “modern Jews” are not REALLY Jews somehow gives them an internal excuse for hatred.

    • no one disputes that cohens and levis have arab semetic relatives. ashkenazim as a whole, though, are white people from europe.

  15. DNA links prove Jews are a ‘race,’ says genetics expert. In his new book, “Legacy: A Genetic History of the Jewish People,” Harry Ostrer, a medical geneticist and professor at Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York, claims that Jews are different, and the differences are not just skin deep. Jews exhibit, he writes, a distinctive genetic signature.

    Jews — Ashkenazim (European) in particular — are relatively homogeneous despite the fact that they are spread throughout Europe and have since immigrated to the Americas and back to Israel. The Inquisition shattered Sephardi (Spanish) Jewry, leading to far more incidences of intermarriage and to a less distinctive DNA.

    In traversing this minefield of the genetics of human differences, Ostrer bolsters his analysis with volumes of genetic data, which are both the book’s greatest strength and its weakness. Two complementary books on this subject — my own “Abraham’s Children: Race, Identity, and the DNA of the Chosen People” and “Jacob’s Legacy: A Genetic View of Jewish History” by Duke University geneticist David Goldstein, who is well quoted in both “Abraham’s Children” and “Legacy” — are more narrative driven, weaving history and genetics, and are consequently much more congenial reads.

  16. jake repeatedly refers to zionism as an ideology in the service of “the jewish people.”

    and yet, quite large numbers of jews – by some accounts half or more – were opposed to the founding of israel. even luminaries that israel claims today, such as albert einstein, were opposed.

    in addition, large numbers of zionsts are not jews. for example, malice-hearted christians like martin luther king proudly proclaimed themselves to be zionists.

    luckily for the world (and unluckily for jake), israel is destroying itself. a quarter of the secular youth want to leave the country. their last land war (in 2006 against the hezzies in lebanon) was a disaster for them. the BDS movement is spreading like a wildfire and is even including banks now. soon the scope of the boycott will be expanded to include all israeli companies and institutions.

    jake, i dont know if you’re just being paid by your hasbara masters of if you actually believe the stuff you are saying. have a look at ‘the general’s son’ by miko peled or perhaps ‘defamation’ by max blumenthal. everything you’ve been told by your leaders and teachers isn’t necessarily true.

    • You really are too dense to debate with, but I’ll reply for the others who are following the discourse.

      Zionism is the national liberation movement of the Jewish people. It is not the first, nor will it be the last, liberation movement to be spurned (out of fear) by members of the very group it is liberating — especially in the early precarious stages of the movement’s existence. Today the overwhelming majority of Jews are pro-Zionism, and are proud of Jewish nationalists who have sacrificed everything to restore their nation-state. Martin Luther King was not a Zionist, he was pro-Zionist — not that it matters — one can support the liberation movement of another people, and we are very grateful for the late great Dr. King’s support.

      • readers can note for themselves who has addressed the issue calmly and who has resorted to name calling.

        this comes as no surprise. zionism can only be justified with heaping amounts of mendacity and rhetorical games.

        “Today the overwhelming majority of Jews are pro-Zionism”

        so what? if the overwhelming majority of white people were in the kkk, would that make it right? no one denies that zionists have had incredible military and propaganda victories. however, pretty much everything i’ve learned about anti-zionism has come from jews, and jewish anti-zionism comes from both secular and religious backgrounds. even the staunchly pro-zionist new york times is starting to print positive items about anti-zionist jews:

        once the 2-state solution is officially dead – which it basically is – the zionists will have two choices – listen to their left wing and make peace with their neighbors, or remove the millions of palestinians from their remaining lands and invade and kill their neighbors. i think we know which option jake favors, but which option would truly be good for the israel he loves – or at least is paid to love?

        according to pam geller, rafael medoff, and jihad watch – all ideological friends of jake – martin luther king was a zionist. here we see clearly the double standard being applied. jake thinks you can’t be a true zionist unless you are jewish. yet zionists go to great pains to tell everyone that the israeli military has many non-jews in it. from where i am sitting, picking up a gun to defend israel is as zionist as it gets, and there are non-jews who do it each and every day. and yet jake would still feel the need to demote them to second class status as being merely “pro” zionist.

        hardcore zionists like noam chomsky, norman finkelstein, and now even ultra-right zionists like alan dershowitz are being painted into a corner by the increasingly isolated core of zionism. they can deny it all they want and publish all the stats they want – a year ago could anyone imagine a european bank announcing that they won’t do business with israel? and yet here we are. BDS is also in its “early precarious stages,” but it clearly has the jake’s of this world scared shitless, or least the people who pay jake to troll the net 🙂

      • I reserve the right to verbally attack those who attack my people, and my nation-state. You are a deluded ignoramus with no real knowledge of Zionism, just a worn out set of talking points from discredited anti-Zionists that you repeat endlessly.

        When you say that the NYT is “staunchly Zionist”, and Chomsky & Finkelstein are Zionists at all, you pretty much end the possibility of a normal discussion.

        Regarding the demise of the two-state so-called solution. Its a good thing. The land is one land, it cannot be split in half. It belongs to the Jewish nation, and it will remain in our hands. The Arabs who live there are to be offered 2 options. Full autonomy or full citizenship.

      • I wear it as a badge of honor, the fact that you think I’m a paid Hasbara operative. Totally delusional, but fine by me. If I were paid by the Israeli government, I wouldn’t be trashing Shimon Peres.

      • “When you say that … Chomsky & Finkelstein are Zionists at all…”

        thanks for so aptly illustrating the exact point i was making – that the zionist right is becoming increasing isolated – and increasingly delusional about who their friends are and are not.

        both chomsky and finkelstein have made no secret of their belief that israel has a right to exist. chomsky has said very openly that “I regard myself as a supporter of Israel.” finkelstein has vocally opposed the BDS movement because he claims it seeks the destruction of the state of israel, something to which he is opposed.

        whether extreme rightists like jake want to admit it or not, chomsky and finkelstein are zionists – both of them want a world with a state of israel in it – and that is the very basis of modern zionism.

        “The Arabs who live there are to be offered 2 options. Full autonomy or full citizenship.”

        and what if these ‘full’ citizens outnumber jews in the country you speak of? what jake demands is a “jewish” state. mendacity reigns in the defense of zionism.

        “… just a worn out set of talking points…”

        indeed, one has to wonder what someone like jake hopes to gain by posting zionist propaganda on an anti-zionist blog. more evidence that he’s merely being paid to say what he says. very few people actually believe such things, which is why the hasbara has to pay people to say them.

        when alan dershowitz is considered too much to the zionist left, it’s clear that the zionist right is spiraling down the drain.

      • xxx – You’re blathering out of control. I can’t really follow when you start talking about Chomsky and Finkelstein being pro-Israel. The tears of laughter cloud my vision… Anyhow, full citizenship for West Bank Arabs (Gaza is out of the equation since 2005), would translate to a 2:1 Jewish majority in Israel. Read it & weep. Why do you think the PA is desperately running to the UN for statehood? They know that the dream of out-breeding Israelis is “spiraling down the drain” as you put it.

        • “full citizenship for West Bank Arabs (Gaza is out of the equation since 2005), would translate to a 2:1 Jewish majority in Israel. Read it & weep.

          its not a fucking game jake..people are being killed every day..try and retain your composure as a human please..

      • People are dying every day because the so-called “peace process” IS a f_cking game! It’s being played out like a fiddle by foreign powers who are hellbent on putting their stamp on the Middle East. A simple & peaceful resolution to the conflict requires all LOCAL parties involved to decide between the only 2 viable options (1) Integrate the West Bank into Israel with full citizenship for all, or (2) Create a Palestinian autonomy in the West Bank that is closely linked to Jordan, and one in Gaza closely linked to Egypt. The autonomy can even include territories inside the Green Line that are predominantly Arab. If peace is what you want, that is how you achieve it. But the goal is not peace and it never has been.

        • “But the goal is not peace and it never has been.”

          i agree but not the way you say it..i see israel as never fermenting peace with anyone around it so they can always be aggressive and be “under attack” so to speak..imo

      • “…the goal is not peace and it never has been.”
        not on the israeli side, that’s for fucking sure

      • When the word “peace” is used to describe “surrender”, “retreat”, and “let the loser of the war dictate the terms” then yes, Israel is not interested in “peace”.

      • as i have explained repeatedly, from the isolated position of the zionist right, left zionists like chomsky and finkelstein get called anti-zionsts, while they do their best to ignore real anti-zionists like miko peled, son and grandson of zionist generals. the zionist right is now *so* isolated that they have even tried to marginalize alan dershowitz who is about as zionist as they come.

        raise your hand if there is even the tiniest possibility that anything jake says about anything will change your mind about something.

        right, i thought so.

        what purpose does it serve a knitting enthusiast to go to a weaving forum and berate the users by repeatedly exclaiming that knitting is superior to weaving? it serves no purpose at all, except to antagonize the weavers.

        and that’s obviously a large part of the hasbara mission. it’s an odd admission on their part. you can’t actually rule by force alone, and believing so is folly. i’ve never met a person who moved from the anti-zionist camp to the zionist camp, but i’ve met dozens who have gone the other way, including former IDF soldiers and even a former colonel in the israeli air force.

        as the zionist right continues to isolate themselves, one can only hope they refer back to one of their founding myths – masada.

      • The Zionist right is so isolated, that’s why they keep winning elections. You seem quite obsessed with denouncing my free speech, which I suppose is typical for someone who denies my people the right to a nation-state. I’ve had many Arabs and Europeans change their views on Zionism after discussing it with them. In the end, Zionism will triumph because it is a liberation movement. BDS will be an epic failure because it is rooted in hatred and prejudice.

      • this is seek’s blog, we all post here within his discretion.

        reader’s can note the classic shill/delphi technique in action – not to mention classic zionist victimhood. now, you see, jake’s “free speech” is threatened… even though it’s a private blog … even though not single person has suggested or even implied that his posts should be removed or edited.

        this is exactly the “game theory” which we talk about so much here.

        every person in this discussion is aware that the goal of the zionists is first, ersatz israel and second, world domination – as it is written in their scriptures, they will rule with a ‘rod of iron.’

        but one person in the discussion seems to think he’s talking to a bunch of dumb goy – a completely different species according to the founder of chabad. you see, dumb goy wouldn’t be able to see through lies like “national liberation,” and “a single state without apartheid.” a dumb goy wouldn’t notice that their initial intent is to control all the land from the nile to the euphrates.

        a dumb goy wouldn’t look at the pyramid in front of the israeli supreme court and ask “wait, i thought those were the people that enslaved jews?” a dumb goy never wonders about the hyskos.

        but then, the dumb zionist never asks those questions either.

        • “a dumb goy wouldn’t look at the pyramid in front of the israeli supreme court and ask “wait, i thought those were the people that enslaved jews?” a dumb goy never wonders about the hyskos.”


      • every person in this discussion is aware that the goal of the zionists is first, ersatz israel and second, world domination


        WIth that, I will bow out of this argument, having won by default. Thanks for making it so easy.

      • there is no argument to win or lose. this is a weaving forum and you are a knitting supremacist. everyone here is an anti-zionist, and your words and time are wasted here.

        i will admit i’m surprised you are able to let go of the last word. hasbara training must be falling short – again.

        readers will note that as soon as it was pointed out that the zionist was assuming his audience was a bunch of dumb goyim, he posted a non-sequitur and ran away. the mendacious have to scatter like roaches when exposed to the light.

      • In the end, the anti-semitic cretins like xxx will scatter like roaches as they are banished from existence. Anti-semite conspiracists who blame the world’s problems on Jews while ignoring the real culprits, are truly the scum of the Earth.

        • “Anti-semite conspiracists who blame the world’s problems on Jews while ignoring the real culprits”

          and who are the real culprits of the worlds problems jake?

      • LOL! went back and read the section of the training manual that said never let the object of your antagonism have the last word, didn’t he?

        the dumb anti-goyim are so predictable. like cattle. here to serve us, and unaware of how we manipulate them. the best part is that they think their jew-di mind tricks actually work here!

        is it my fault that the jewish holy texts promise the zionists all the land abraham walked on? is the ‘rod of iron’ something i have made up? was it me who said jews and goyim are entirely different species? no, no, and no.

        btw, i’m entirely pro-semitic – being pro-palestian. the ashkenazim who run israel are europeans, not semites.

        we will now see yet another act of mendacity as mr. “I will bow out of this argument” returns yet again to tell us just how superior knitters are to weavers, here at a weaving forum.

        • i note jake has not tried to debunk ersatz israel but instead ignored it and said he had won the its taboo? i dont think you can win an argument unless you discuss all issues raised..but continue on..

      • seeker401 – Do some research on the 3 city states. Israel is despised by the real culprits, and they are using age-old anti-Jew conspiracies to try & bring her down. Today the Middle East is a battleground for empires. Peace requires all foreign parties to exit the stage, and let the local parties fight/work it out.

        • i am well versed on the 3 cities within cities..but i want from you the names of the main players and the organisations, think tanks and ngos that are complicit..thanks..

      • Present your case or don’t, clown: it’s no one else’s job to do your research for you.
        If it weren’t for “foreign parties” you wouldn’t have a country (that itself is populated by foreign parties), and if they divested their interests & packed their toys & went home it wouldn’t last any too long.
        Waiting for you to name those “real culprits”… … … …
        :ציוץ צרצרים:

      • Denying that Jews are indigenous to the Middle East is like denying that the sky is blue. Even the Arabs agree on this. Its hate-mongering foreigners like you, with your vicious anti-Jew conspiracies, that motivate and support the racist genocidal fringes of Arab society.

        Israel is a state today because we fought a war of independence, and if you think Israel would cease to exist without US support, you’re in for a big surprise.

      • “WIth that, I will bow out of this argument…”
        — Jake said this on April 10, 2014 at 2:00 AM

        as if to reinforce the point, zionists lie – always.

        readers should note the delphi techniques in action again. for example, we’ve repeatedly stated that ashkenazim are europeans, not semites (with small exceptions for cohens and levis, who have *paternal* lineage going to the middle east. jewishess is passed through *maternal* lineage). and yet, the paid hasbara shill insists that jews are indigenous to the middle east – a point no one is disputing.

        seek, you must be doing something right to be able to get the hasbara to waste their money like this. funny, isn’t it, that one one needs to be paid to express anti-zionist sentiment.

        people who have tribal/talmudic values (“good” is what is good for the tribe) can never understand the voices of people who have universal/human values.

    • they are not interested inn peace whatever one’s definition:
      they are a bunch of fucking savages; fortunately the US is waking up from the msm brainwashing

      • “Tens of thousands of Palestinians living in East Jerusalem have been without running water for more than a month, victims of a decrepit and overwhelmed infrastructure and caught in a legal no-man’s land caused by the divisions of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.”

      • 3 months now:
        “Israeli water utility company Hagihon has stopped the regular supply of running water to a number of Palestinian neighbourhoods in occupied East Jerusalem, according to a statement issued by Israeli human rights organisation B’Tselem.
        The affected neighbourhoods are the Shu’fat Refugee Camp, Ras Khamis, Ras Sh’hadeh and Dahiyat As-Salam. They have all been isolated from the rest of Jerusalem by the Separation Wall.
        B’Tselem stated that: “Some homes in these neighbourhoods have been completely cut off from the water supply; others receive water intermittently; and as for the rest, the water pressure in the pipes is so low that the water does not reach the faucets.”
        The result, B’Tselem said, is that “an estimated 60,000 to 80,000 Palestinians – mostly permanent residents of Israel – have been left without a regular water supply.””

    • Waiting for you to name those “real culprits”… … … … … … … … :ציוץ צרצרים:…………….

      most recent dna analysis indicates maternal dna is mainly european in origin, paternal dna is an admixture with some semitic ancestry, but not to nearly the same percentage as the Palestinians= y’all are foreigners to the region

  17. Israel is destroying itself? That’s funny.

    A few interesting facts from an article I recently read:

    * Turkish Statistics Institute documented ane xpansion of the Turkey-Israel trade balance, despite the brutal anti-Israel ideology of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. The institute reports a 56 percent export increase, to Israel, during the first five months of 2013, compared with the same period in 2012, while imports from Israel increased by 22% during the same period. The Israel-Turkey trade balance was $3.4 billion in 2008, rising to $4 billion in 2012.

    *The London Financial Times reported that “in six hours of [Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s] talks with the Chinese leadership, they spent roughly 10 seconds on the Palestinian issue, while revealing an unquenchable thirst for Israeli technology.

    *The China-Israel 2013 trade balance exceeded $10 billion, providing a tailwind to the currently negotiated free-trade agreement, and inspired by Chinese investments in some 50 Israeli high-tech companies.

    *The Japan Times reported a growing Japanese interest in Israeli business opportunities, tripling the number of reviews of Israeli companies.

    *Foreign investments in Israel soared in 2013 to a seven-year high of $12 billion, including $4 billion in acquisitions of Israeli companies by global giants such as Google, IBM, Cisco, AOL, Facebook, Apple and EMC.

    *Since January, Israeli companies have raised over $500 million on Wall Street, and Deloitte Touche, one of the world’s top CPA firms, crowned Israel as the fourth most attractive site for foreign investors, behind the U.S., China and Brazil.

    *According to the British Economist Intelligence Unit, “Israel’s cluster of high-tech companies, investors and incubators is enjoying a boom which has not been witnessed since the global tech bubble burst more than a decade ago.” Neither Kazakhstan’s billionaire Kenges Rakishev, nor Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim allowed the “Isolation Warning/Threat” to stop their flow of investments in Israel’s high-tech sector.

    *Eric Schmidt, who invests in Israel also through his private venture capital fund, Innovation Endeavors: “Israel will have an oversized impact on the evolution of the next stage of technology. Israel has become a high-tech hub. Israel is the most important high-tech center in the world after the U.S.”

    I cut out half the article because its too long. Basically, outside of the anti-Zionist echo chambers, reality prevails. And the reality is that Israel is growing stronger and more prosperous each day. The Palestinians can accept reality and embrace autonomy within Israel, or they can continue wallowing in their self-imposed misery forever. The choice is theirs.

  18. Who better to explain the unique relationship between Judaism and Zionism than Theodore Herzl …

    The term “Zionism” was first introduced in 1893 by Nathan Birmbaum, but Theodor Herzl, an Austrian Jew born to a prosperous, emancipated Budapest family, is recognized as the founder of the Zionist idealogy when he published his book in 1896, “The Jewish State”, where he declared that the cure for anti-semitism was the establishment of a Jewish state. As he saw it, the best place to establish this state was in Palestine.

    While Herzl claimed that the establishment of a “Jewish” state would cure anti-Semitism, he also promoted anti-Semitism to further his cause.
    Herzl stated in his diary:

    “It is essential that the sufferings of Jews.. . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-Semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . . The anti-Semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-Semites shall be our best friends”. (From his Diary, Part I, pp. 16)
    Benny Morris (the Israeli Historian), described how Herzl foresaw how anti-Semitism could be “HARNESSED” for the realization of Zionism. He stated:

    “Herzl regarded Zionism’s triumph as inevitable, not only because life in Europe was ever more untenable for Jews, but also because it was in Europe’s interests to rid the Jews and relieved of anti-Semitism: The European political establishment would eventually be persuaded to promote Zionism. Herzl recognized that anti-Semitism would be HARNESSED to his own–Zionist-purposes.” (Righteous Victims, p. 21)

    In the diary of Hertzel, page 14, he writes a way to solve the problem of anti-Semitism was to speak to the head priest of Vienna to get an appointment with the Pope, to make a mass conversion of all the Jews of Austria to Catholicism. He continues: “It should be done on a Sunday, in the middle of the day, with music, and pride, publicly. We are the last generation that held on to the faith of our for-fathers. The conversion would be in St. Stephen’s Cathedral.”

    In the bi-weekly diary, “Temurah”, no.2, pg. 12-13, “I didn’t circumsize my son Hans, and this will bring the Geula closer.”

    “Simple goyim are better than Rabbis, and the highest are the goyish priests.”

    # In his article “Deutche Tsytung newspaper” Hertzel writes: “The Jews make countries fight each other and when they want, make peace. But whatever happens, they get rich from this.” (Hitler said this also).
    # Diary, page 16: “Antisemitism helps to build this kind of jew, Education that will bring to assimilation.”
    # Diary, page 68: “An idea rose on my heart to bring on anti-Semitism and to obliterate Jewish wealth.
    # In the book “Hertzel”, this is a quote: “I bless every jew that converts to Christianity and my son, the sooner the better, to save him from anti-Semitism.
    # After the Dreyfus affair, Hertzel saw the engraned jew hatred and that the goyim would not accept the jews with open arms, then he came up with Zionism, after being convinced by the British goyim on the land of Israel. He himself originally wanted other lands, one of them being Argentina.
    # In his book, “Altnoyland”, “its understood that I have to remember (or mention) to discard negative Jewish things, like the Yiddish language and observing mitzvos.”
    # Doctor Amnun Raz Kavkotzikin — historian at the University of Ben Gurion says: “The country of Hertzel is a western European anti-eastern (Sephardic) and anti-religious.”
    # Chaim Chassas, in the newspaper of the Zionist’s, Ha’Arutz, 1943, “Zionism and Judaismm is not one thing but two different things. And of course two contradicting one another. Zionism starts at the place where Judaism is destroyed…one thing is certain, Zionism is not a continuation or healing of wounded Judaism, but rather an uprooting.”
    # Doctor Tom Shagav, historian and newspaper writer, “Zionism saw itself as competition as to religion, to define a jew without torah. A Zionist could be a jew without any faith, even a Kofer.”
    # Doctor Faul Shaul Landau, the personal secretary of Hertzel, saw to it that all of Hertzel’s writings were published against the will of the other Zionists who feared the open anti-Semitic element of his writings.
    # Zev Japotinsky in his article “Outside the camp”, in the newspaper “Chadashot HaAretz” 22/10/1919: “In the national home we will announce that those Jews who have on themselves the rust of Gulles, and deny to shave off their beards and payos will be 2nd class citizens and will not have the right to vote.”
    # Ben Gurion, in his book “Yehudi ve’ od”, “The disapora is ending and everyone is coming, this still does not make a nation but a mixed multitude and dust of man, without a language and education, without roots. To change dust of man to a cultured nation is not an easy job.”
    # Ben Gurion: “If I could save all the children of Germany by bringing them to England and only half to Israel, I would choose the second.”
    # Yoel Bronde/Eichman offered him a deal to save a million jews for money and the Sochnute decided not to, and they were murdered.
    # Wusshishkin, head of the Jewish National Fund in the 1920′s (there is a street named after him in Jerusalem), “What’s the difference between Jews getting killed in the diaspora and the land of israel? They [of the disapora] are sacrifices of a dying nation. There was no purpose in their death, just like there was no purpose in their life. Not so with the sacrifices in our land, we look at them with pride.”
    # Yitzchak Greenbaum, Zionist responsible for saving Jews in World War Two, and later Minister of the Interior under Ben Gurion, “Concerning using communal money to save the Jews, no and no and no. Zionism comes first.”
    # Chaim Wiessman, first president “I want to save two million youth, the elders will be lost and await for what’s coming to them. They are economic dust in a cruel world. Just a branch of the youth will remain, the old ones have to work with this, and make peace with it.
    # Holphany Heartglass, who later became the minister of interior under Ben Gurion writes in 1956 guidelines for the counselors, on how to deal with the Yemenites who came and were religious. “It’s understood that our intention is to bring them to the realization that their faith in hashem is without sense, etc…and it does not have a right to exist.” He writes further: “it’s better to save 10,000 that can build a country, even though we can save a million, but it won’t benefit the country. We have to let them go and not to save those who are not Zionists, we causes demoralizatoin and not to save the harmful element.”
    # A former Sachnut worker, Yigal ben dovid, witness and testifies: “a special agent from the Zionists in the land of Israel came to Europe to see that only their people were saved. Selection, a few mizrachi and revisionsalists (from japotinsky) and no charadim at all.” All this was taken from the disc “Hertzel and the Zionists” From Rabbi Amnon Yitzchak.
    # On the tape “why do they hate charadim?” he brings from Hertzel’s diary “The Rabbi should be locked up in the Synagogues, the country has its own culture.”

  19. Top Israeli scientist says Ashkenazi Jews came from Khazaria, not Palestine

    An Israeli geneticist challenges the “Zionist” hypothesis that all Jews belong to one race and are intimately related, thus giving them a common ancestor in the Holy Land and a Biblical claim to Palestine.

    Scientists usually don’t call each other “liars” and “frauds.”

    But that’s how Johns Hopkins University post-doctoral researcher Eran Elhaik describes a group of widely respected geneticists, including Harry Ostrer, professor of pathology and genetics at Yeshiva University’s Albert Einstein College of Medicine and author of the 2012 book “Legacy: A Genetic History of the Jewish People.”

    For years now, the findings of Ostrer and several other scientists have stood virtually unchallenged on the genetics of Jews and the story they tell of the common Middle East origins shared by many Jewish populations worldwide. Jews — and Ashkenazim in particular — are indeed one people, Ostrer’s research finds.

    It’s a theory that more or less affirms the understanding that many Jews themselves hold of who they are in the world: a people who, though scattered, share an ethnic-racial bond rooted in their common ancestral descent from the indigenous Jews of ancient Judea or Palestine, as the Romans called it after they conquered the Jewish homeland.

    But now, Elhaik, an Israeli molecular geneticist, has published research that he says debunks this claim. And that has set off a predictable clash. …

    In “The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses,” published in December in the online journal Genome Biology and Evolution, Elhaik says he has proved that Ashkenazi Jews’ roots lie in the Caucasus — a region at the border of Europe and Asia that lies between the Black and Caspian seas — not in the Middle East. They are descendants, he argues, of the Khazars, a Turkic people who lived in one of the largest medieval states in Eurasia and then migrated to Eastern Europe in the 12th and 13th centuries. Ashkenazi genes, Elhaik added, are far more heterogeneous than Ostrer and other proponents of the Rhineland Hypothesis believe. Elhaik did find a Middle Eastern genetic marker in DNA from Jews, but, he says, it could be from Iran, not ancient Judea.

    Elhaik writes that the Khazars converted to Judaism in the eighth century, although many historians believe that only royalty and some members of the aristocracy converted. But widespread conversion by the Khazars is the only way to explain the ballooning of the European Jewish population to 8 million at the beginning of the 20th century from its tiny base in the Middle Ages, Elhaik says.

    • “Elhaik writes that the Khazars converted to Judaism in the eighth century, although many historians believe that only royalty and some members of the aristocracy converted. But widespread conversion by the Khazars is the only way to explain the ballooning of the European Jewish population to 8 million at the beginning of the 20th century from its tiny base in the Middle Ages, Elhaik says.”

  20. God bless the Jewish Nation.

    2 Peter 3:9 “The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.”

    Psalm 31:24 “Be strong and take heart, all you who hope in the LORD.”

    Lamentations 3:25 “The LORD is good to those whose hope is in him, to the one who seeks him;”

  21. Ukraine: Zionist America’s new Jewish colony

    • You guys are such primitive paranoid idiots. Just because someone has a Jewish grandparent doesnt make him/her Jewish, and it certainly doesnt prove anything whatsoever in regards to your delusional anti Jew conspiracies. Being Jewish has much more to do with identity than genetics, and these 4 men are certainly not identifiable Jews.

      • “The land is one land, it cannot be split…” – jake

        “Gaza is out of the equation since 2005” – jake

        “zionism can only be justified with heaping amounts of mendacity and rhetorical games.” – xxx

      • Gaza is not part of the land, it was a separate entity in ancient times, and it’s a separate entity today.

        Zionism can be justified in 3 simple words. Liberated Jewish Land.

      • “Just because someone has a Jewish grandparent doesnt make him/her Jewish ” – Jake

        As being Jewish does not make you an Israelite .. a true descendant of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob according to the Torah is from father to son

        ” Being Jewish has much more to do with identity than genetics ” – Jake

        Yes the true identity of Jews is quite confusing because of the racial mix but easily identified in the scriptures .. Ashkenazi Jews are identified with Ashkenaz grandson of Noah descended from Japheth not from Shem. Sephardic Jews are descendants of Esau forced to convert to Judaism by the High Priest John Hyrcranus. Of course conversion does not make them descendants and explains why Jewish lineage is through the mother and not the father.

      • has everything to do with genetics and in fact israel is obsessed with it..if the mother is jewish you are jewish..a zionist however can be anything..

      • Even if your outrageous and unsubstantiated claims are correct, it doesn’t disprove anything I wrote. Being Jewish is a matter of self-identification. The Jewish way of life, at its core, is the same as the Israelite way of life, albeit modified and in some ways bastardized, by centuries of exile and persecution. Jewish people are rapidly returning to their roots in the post-liberation era, and even if they continued eating gefilte fish forever, it still wouldn’t prove you right.

        I’ll sum it up for you as follows: I don’t need to wear a white wig and stockings, nor must I support voting rights only for land owners, in order to be considered a “real” American. The founding fathers may have worn wigs, and believed in extreme libertarian ideals, 250 years ago, but today being American doesn’t require me to mirror them. Nor does it require me to be a direct descendant of them. All it requires, is that I pledge allegiance to the flag and the constitution.

      • seeker401 – Actually, Israel accepts anyone with at least 1 Jewish grandparent. Rabbinical law considers anyone with a Jewish mother to be Jewish, and if the only Jewish parent is the father its extremely easy to convert.

        • “Rabbinical law considers anyone with a Jewish mother to be Jewish”

          as i stated.. “if the mother is jewish you are jewish”

          nothing outrageous in my comment..its fact..

          “Nor does it require me to be a direct descendant of them. All it requires, is that I pledge allegiance to the flag and the constitution.”

          you talk of the usa above but this is exactly what doesnt goes on in wont get a free flight back to the homeland if you are not certainly wont be asked to come and live there if you arent jewish..i think they call it “positive” racism..positive for who though?

      • I agree seeker my point is the jews have neither identity nor genetics

      • “Even if your outrageous and unsubstantiated claims are correct, it doesn’t disprove anything I wrote.” – Jake

        My outrageous claims are here substantiated by Genesis 10 and the Jewish Encyclopedia …

        Genesis 10 Descendants of Noah

        1Now these are the records of the generations of Shem, Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah; and sons were born to them after the flood.
        2 The sons of Japheth were Gomer and Magog and Madai and Javan and Tubal and Meshech and Tiras. 3 The sons of Gomer were Ashkenaz and Riphath and Togarmah. … 5 From these the coastlands of the nations were separated into their lands, every one according to his language, according to their families, into their nations.


        Edom is the name which was given to Esau, the first-born son of Isaac, on the day he sold his birthright to Jacob for a mess of pottage, the reddish color of which gives it its name—”Adom” (Gen. xxv. 30). The country which was subsequently inhabited by Esau and his descendants was called “the field of Edom” (Gen. xxxii. 3, R. V.) or “the land of Edom” (Gen. xxxvi. 16; Num. xxxiii. 37)….

        Edom is mentioned in the cuneiform inscriptions in the form “Udumi” (u); three of its kings are known from the same source: Ḳaus-malaka at the time of Tiglath-pileser (c. 745), Malik-rammu at the time of Sennacherib (c. 705), and Ḳaus-gabri at the time of Esarhaddon (c. 680). According to the Egyptian inscriptions, the “aduma” at times extended their possessions down as far as the borders of Egypt (Müller, “Asien und Europa,” p. 135). After the conquest of Judah by the Babylonians, the Edomites were allowed to settle in southern Palestine. At the same time they were driven by the Nabatæans from Idumea. In southern Palestine they prospered for more than four centuries. Judas Maccabeus conquered their territory for a time (B.C. 163; “Ant.” xii. 8, §§ 1, 6). They were again subdued by John Hyrcanus (c. 125 B.C.), by whom they were forced to observe Jewish rites and laws (ib. xiii. 9, § 1; xiv. 4, § 4). They were then incorporated with the Jewish nation, and their country was called by the Greeks and Romans “Idumea”

      • “…The founding fathers may have worn wigs, and believed in extreme libertarian ideals, 250 years ago, but today being American doesn’t require me to mirror them. Nor does it require me to be a direct descendant of them. All it requires, is that I pledge allegiance to the flag and the constitution…”

        Incorrect: although one does not need to be a direct descendent of the founding fathers, there are many other requirements for “being American”. One may be accorded citizenship through parents (under these circumstances: or through the process of naturalization (under these circumstances:
        It takes more than pledging allegiance to our flag and constitution: the process of naturalization is not available to every noncitizen, there are quotas based upon one’s country of origin and circumstances and there is a citizenship test. There are also circumstances under which one may lose one’s certificate of naturalization and circumstances in which one may be stripped of US citizenship ( which can result in deportation or legal action. You might want to look that last bit over carefully.

      • according to jake, 2005 is “ancient times.”

        don’t really understand his point. how does it benefit him to go to an anti-zionist blog and talk zionist nonsense? just tying to waste our time? perhaps…

        jake, if you have 90 minutes of your own time to spend – perhaps during a break from your hasbara duties, have a look at this documentary made by and israeli zionist. and, by the way, if you have any reasonable documentaries which do a better job of explaining your position than you do, i would watch.

      • Seeker – not sure what you mean by your last comment. My point was that the Jewish people have a set of criteria for accepting new members. In exile, rabbinical leaders set out strict guidelines for conversion, in an effort to preserve the peoplehood. With a restored nation-state we still have criteria, as no country allows anyone to join for any reason. Israel is a unique case of a country being rebuilt, and her population being drawn back from all over the world. Perhaps when 10 million Jews are living in Israel, and the demographic threat is neutralized, Israel will allow more non-Jewish immigrants.

        In response to the other guy, its really amusing that you keep accusing me of being a paid operative. No, in reality I’m just a guy who doesn’t appreciate his family being slandered and demonized. I’m sure you would do the same if you were in my shoes.

        Oh, and the other other guy made me laugh when he tried to claim that Ashkenazi Jews are descendants of Japeth. Ashkenaz is how we refer to Germany, like Mitzrayim is how we refer to Egypt. They are called Ashkenazi Jews because they are from Germany and/or keep the customs of German Jews. Nice try though, a truly ignorant reader may have been fooled by that one.

      • just a regurgitation of nonsense learned in zio-schools.

        some books for any readers who have an interest:

        and a couple of interesting books written by zionists:

      • I can find more books by depraved self-loathing American authors who demonize America. Proves nothing.

      • oh can you? please do provide links. not being american myself, i have no problem with anti-american literature.

        the links i provided are for readers of this thread who might want to hear less delusional jewish voices. i should also add

      • I am an american and I don’t have a problem with anti-american literature either. As long as one’s facts are straight it isn’t an issue of being anti-[american; whoever] but of telling the truth. Bring on the links!

  22. I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. ..Rev 2:9

    Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet… Rev 3:9

    wow. 2 verses in the last chapter – i wonder often times who they are referring to -the fake ones who’re claiming their birth “rights”.

  23. Wow Jake so all 85 – 90 % Ashkenazi Jews are from a small area on the Rhine river ?????? Incredible you would choose to name yourselves after a ghetto and not who you descended from.

  24. Was Ben Mileikowsky from the Ashkenazi ghetto too?

  25. Nathan Milikowsky Netanyahu was born to Zvi in Krevo ( Vilna area)
    in 1875. a descendant of the Gaon from Vilna. He studied at the
    Volozhin Yeshiva for 8 years and then became an orator preaching about
    Zionism. He migrated (with his children who were born in Warsaw) to
    Palestine in 1920 and served as headmaster of various Hebrew high
    schools in several towns before settling in Jerusalem as an official
    of the World Zionist Organization. On his arrival in Palestine,
    Milikovsky changed the family name to Netanyahu (“Lord has given”). He
    was from the beginning a supporter of right-wing views in the Zionist
    movement, a tendency which deepened in the next generations of his
    closely knit family. He passed away in 1935.
    Benjamin Netanyahu

    Prime Minister of Israel. Born 1949 in Tel Aviv, Israel. Grandson of
    Nathan MILEIKOWSKY/ Milikowsky from Krevo, who changed his name to
    Netanyahu when he arrived in Tel Aviv in 1930.

    Benjamin Netanyahu spun mythology in his UN speech in September:

    In my office in Jerusalem, there’s a — there’s an ancient seal. It’s a signet ring of a Jewish official from the time of the Bible. The seal was found right next to the Western Wall, and it dates back 2,700 years, to the time of King Hezekiah. Now, there’s a name of the Jewish official inscribed on the ring in Hebrew. His name was Netanyahu. That’s my last name. My first name, Benjamin, dates back a thousand years earlier to Benjamin — Binyamin — the son of Jacob, who was also known as Israel. Jacob and his 12 sons roamed these same hills of Judea and Sumeria 4,000 years ago, and there’s been a continuous Jewish presence in the land ever since.

    Why do you people have an identity crisis ???
    The name does not exist in historical records, the name was created.

    • owned..

      • Netanyahu means Gift of God (Netan=gift, Yahu=God). Rev17 is so preoccupied with Bibi’s former Polish surname, he fails to realize that the very existence of artifacts with Hebrew inscriptions says much more than his obsessive condemnation of Bibi’s remark.

        We may indeed have an identity crisis, after living as a hunted people for 1800+ years, and now finally powerful enough to defend ourselves again. The so-called Palestinians on the other hand have no identity whatsoever, outside of fighting Israel’s existence. The sad thing is that they are merely pawns in a foreign scheme to weaken and eventually destroy Israel, risking their lives for a cause that, if successful, will make their lives infinitely worse. In reality, the Arabs would much rather have Israeli citizenship than be ruled by third-world despots in a Palestinian state.

        • “after living as a hunted people for 1800+ years”

          why do you think you were hunted as you say for so long? every other country in the world was wrong or anti-semites? or perhaps their was something real about your lot that nobody liked or feared?

      • zionism can’t be supported without the deployment of extreme mendacity, and of course extreme violence.

        jakey is repeating one of the founding myths of the zionist entity – ‘a land without a people for a people without a land.’

        when this lie is deployed, it makes the nakba – a real event of history, unlike the gas chambers – disappear from the history.

        people lived in what is today called israel before israel was created. some of them were muslims, some christian, and some jewish – and not just immigrant “jews” from europe. those people are palestinians.

        readers should also note that old tactic of mentioning how bad life is in arab countries, while recognition of who and what the causes are gets left unsaid. israel has constantly and systematically opposed democracy in arab and persian countries and used everything including military power to prevent it from happening.

        it’s unlikely that there really was a kingdom of david or his temple. it’s just another lie on a pile a lies that zionists use to claim whatever it is they wish to claim on any particular day.

      • So Jake do you think this artifact is some sort of sign, do you think it’s possible Ben is the Messiah? Would he be Moshiac Ben David or Moshiac Ben Joseph?

      • seeker401 – Aside from good old-fashioned religious bigotry, the main reason we were hated is because we refused to fully assimilate and shed our Jewish identities. I don’t mind countries that want us to assimilate, that is their right, and its understandable. I take issue with countries that deny us the right to retake our homeland.

      • “I take issue with countries that deny us the right to retake our homeland.”
        In the first place, it ain’t your homeland. In the second, if you believe in the right of arms, then how can others not have the right of arms to keep you from what you wish?
        In the 3rd, when are you going to answer seeker’s question?
        :crickets: :crickets: :crickets: :crickets: :crickets: :crickets:

      • jews aren’t actually “hated” in modern times, with the occasional far outlier, of course, and excepting those in occupied/threatened countries who think all jews are zionists.

        yoav shamir answers the question “what is anti-semetism today?”

      • Not our homeland? Documented history and extensive archaeology would prove you wrong, but keep parroting the same ignorant nonsense if it makes you feel better.

        The Arabs do have a right to fight our reclamation of Israel, in fact they’ve exercised that right on several occasions.

      • “Documented history and extensive archaeology would prove you wrong…” if it existed. links please.

  26. Mr. Mileikowsky and the “seal of Netanyahu”: the perilous encounter between modern nationalism and ancient history

    In the second stage, it is pointed out that this name “Netanyahu” uncannily links some ancient official with the current prime minister. But the prime minister only bears that name because his father adopted it as a 20th-century political act based on 20th-century ideology and nationalism in what can only be described as an appropriation of the past. One could hardly posit a direct connection between a Mr. Mileikowsky of Warsaw and an ancient official called “Netanyahu” based on those two names.

    Prime Minister Netanyahu may feel that he is demonstrating some profound historical evidence of the continuity between contemporary Israeli nationalism and ancient history, but in fact what he’s doing is demonstrating the extent to which an ancient history in another place and time was consciously and politically appropriated by Jewish Europeans to legitimize their political agenda of establishing a Jewish state in Palestine. To those who know his family history, this ring actually calls attention not to the authentic, natural and unbroken continuity between ancient history and contemporary Zionism but rather the usually underappreciated artificiality, or at very least consciously constructed nature, of that connection.

    • Mileikowsy is no more his “real” name than Netanyahu is. But yeah, archaeology (and basic Roman history) has proven incontrovertibly that Jews originated in Israel. Thanks for bringing it up.

  27. I’ll give you credit for admitting the man is a liar and deceitful.

  28. What World Famous Men Said About The Jews

    The Jews are the only people in the world who have found hostility in every country in which they settled in any numbers. The big question is — WHY?Today it is taught in the schools that “Anti-Semitism” began in Germany in the 1930s after which they were deported. What is not studied is the fact that at one time or other the Jews have been expelled from every nation in Europe! When the Jews first began to immigrate to America the early colonialists in New York, Charleston and Savannah tried to ban their entry. Benjamin Franklin pleaded with the members of the Continental Congress to enter a specific ban against Jewish immigration into the U. S. Constitution to bar them for all time to come.
    The Jews claim that they are “only” a religion. The truth is that the Jews are a RACE. Less than 30% are members of any Synagogue. Whether they are Orthodox religious, atheists, capitalists or communists — they still claim to be Jews — members of the Jewish race! Every race has inherited traits. In the case of the Jews they include trading, money-changing, usury, and a loathing for “productive labor” which is scorned as beneath the dignity of the Jews in their “bible” called “THE TALMUD.”

    dozens of quotes..check it this from martin luther..

    MARTIN LUTHER, Table Talk of Martin Luther, translated by William Hazlet, page 43 “But the Jews are so hardened that they listen to nothing; though overcome by testimonies they yield not an inch. It is a pernicious race, oppressing all men by their usury and rapine. If they give a prince or magistrate a thousand florins, they extort twenty thousand from the subjects in payment. We must ever keep on guard against them.”

    • Your lies and stereotypes about Jews are easily exposed as medieval bigotry, by looking at present-day Israel where 6 million Jews have a vibrant society of workers, thinkers, doctors, bankers, teachers, students, and fighters. What’s amusing to me is that anti-semites like yourself don’t want Jews in their country, but also don’t want Jews to return to their own country. Glad we finally dropped the facade of this being an “anti-Zionist” blog, its clear as day that this is an anti-Jew blog. The nation of Israel will live & thrive for many more generations while the haters continue wallowing in their swill. I believe my job here is done.

    • Provide a link to your assessment that “Martin Luther (may he burn in hell for eternity) would have you believe that a society of Jews could never exist because they would all be lazy bankers who don’t work.” There’s nothing in the quote from seeker [“MARTIN LUTHER, Table Talk of Martin Luther, translated by William Hazlet, page 43 “But the Jews are so hardened that they listen to nothing; though overcome by testimonies they yield not an inch. It is a pernicious race, oppressing all men by their usury and rapine. If they give a prince or magistrate a thousand florins, they extort twenty thousand from the subjects in payment. We must ever keep on guard against them.” ”] to support your premise, though you pretend otherwise.
      visitors from 5th March 2009
      • 5,531,601 FOLLOWING THE MONEY
      ”Believe me, if I was a paid agent I wouldn’t be wasting my time arguing with 4 mental midgets on an obscure blog that no one reads.”
      And yet, you come to this blog, as have over 5 million others. If it is so obscure, however did you find it? And if it is so insignificant and its commenters so dumb, why do you keep coming back?
      “This has been one of the easier debates I’ve ever participated in, all you do is repeat the same tired old anti-semitic propaganda over & over.”
      Then why have you been unable to refute even one single argument put before you, jake? Where is any evidence for any of your assertions? Why have you provided not a single link to counter anything anyone here has said?

      • Martin Luther is claiming that Jews are parasitic money-changers who refuse to work, an age-old diatribe against Jews that mocks the author in his grave every day that Jewish-Israeli society thrives economically.

        You’re either blind or your head is so far up your ass that you can’t see I’ve been refuting every half-wit argument made here, even those that would insult the intelligence of a baboon.

      • There is nothing in the quote to indicate that ML believes one cannot grow wealthy through usury, to the contrary! & in point of fact, the wealthier one becomes the less work one does (taken on average, and regardless of religion).
        Jews are vastly overrepresented per capita as the economic theorists that largely designed the present banksterist theologia underpinning all major global financial institutions; also as practicing economists, and as banksters of all stripes: this becomes more true the higher up the banksterist ladder one goes. (one may need to scroll up or down a bit, wp is acting a little crazy lately).
        Note that I have not said all jews are bankers, nor even all bankers are jews, only that they are grossly overrepresented in the modern corrupt financial institutions. This is factual, it is not invented. I have not made up the names and jobs of these individuals.

        As for Jewish-Israeli society thriving economically, I have never suggested otherwise: why must you continuously put up straw man arguments? Parasitic economies often prosper, my own nation, the US, is much the same and I condemn its parasitism equally. Financial success does not equate with a healthy or beneficial society, I don’t see having money as anything intrinsically laudable.

        Bluff does not serve for argument. The only time you made anything like a case for your statements was when you listed some foreign nations (Japan, Turkey, China) and billionaires (Mexico, Kazkahstan) as investors in Israel and said that globally Israel had support. Of course, you did not mention that much of that trade is enabled with US dollars or that those same nations also trade with nations that are enemies of Israel, but wth, it was a start.

        Your arguments are not cohesive: you argue that being jewish is a matter of self identification, but then you claim again that no, it is genetic, when shown that the proportion of semitic ancestry in most israelis falls far below that of the palestinians, then then you claim again it is cultural…
        You claim that Israel could survive without the support of foreign interests, and that foreign interests are undesirable in settling your war against the palestinians, yet you could not survive as a nation without US support and your army proved quite insufficient to best your neighbors not so very long back, even with its vastly superior (US provided) firepower.
        You have lost every attempt at argument you have made and you have fooled no one. The baboons laugh at you, Jake.

      • Jews are over-represented in the banking sector? Based on what statistics, and if true, what exactly is your point?

        If you’re interested in learning something about the origins of Jewish lending, Ill direct you to the following link:

        Excerpt: Believing that their commercial skills and incoming capital would make England more prosperous, William I (William the Conqueror) invited a group of Jewish merchants from Rouen, in Normandy, to England in 1070.[2] However, Jews were not permitted to own land (as most gentiles were not allowed to own land) nor to participate in trades (except for medicine). They were limited primarily to money lending. As Catholic doctrine held that money lending for interest was the sin of usury, Jews dominated this activity.

        Israeli society thriving economically is not a straw man argument. It makes a mockery of the anti-semitic notion that Jews are parasites who feed off of others. What the Israeli economy proves is that Jews are hard working self-sufficient people, when given independence. “US dollars” constitute exactly 1.2% Israeli GDP, and the US obsession with the Oslo peace process has cost Israel many more billions that it receives from the US.

        I’ll say it again: The Jewish people are an ethnic nationality. There is an ethnic core, but one need not be “ethnically Jewish” in order to be a Jew. One can identify with the people, pledge allegiance to the national ethos, and be just as Jewish as a direct descendant of King David.

      • oops, attached to wrong part of thread, see above at June 18, 2014 at 5:14 AM

    • Jews are an ethnic-nationality, splintered into sub-ethnic groups due to 1800+ years of existence without a national center.

      Obviously we are not a race, since Jews accept new members, and you can’t join a race. What’s hilarious is that in this very thread, we have anti-semites claiming that Jews are Khazars (converts) and other anti-semites claiming that we are a race. Maybe the Jew-hating swine should have a conference to get their story straight before making fools of themselves on the internet.

      BTW: I found this blog by doing a Google search for this story about the Vilna Gaon’s prediction. It was way down near the bottom of the search results, where crackpot hate-blogs belong.

      • Jake I am not sure I understand, could you please explain why the punishment for violation of the Seven Laws of Noah is not equal for a Jew and non jew … ???

        In the elaboration of these seven Noachian laws, and in assigning punishments for their transgression, the Rabbis are sometimes more lenient and sometimes more rigorous with Noachidæ than with Israelites. With but a few exceptions, the punishment meted out to a Noachid for the transgression of any of the seven laws is decapitation, the least painful of the four modes of execution of criminals (see Capital Punishment). The many formalities of procedure essential when the accused is an Israelite need not be observed in the case of the Noachid. The latter may be convicted on the testimony of one witness, even on that of relatives, but not on that of a woman. He need have had no warning (“hatra’ah”) from the witnesses; and a single judge may pass sentence on him (ib. 57a, b; “Yad,” l.c. ix. 14). With regard to idolatry, he can be found guilty only if he worshiped an idol in the regular form in which that particular deity is usually worshiped; while in the case of blasphemy he may be found guilty, even when he has blasphemed with one of the attributes of God’s name—an action which, if committed by an Israelite, would not be regarded as criminal (ib. 56b; see Blasphemy).

      • You seem to be the expert on Talmudic jurisprudence, not me, but I’ll take a stab at it. Foreigners in Israel were required to keep the Noachide laws, so Noachides in this context could be referring to foreigners in the land of Israel. Foreigners weren’t afforded the same rights as citizens in ancient times, so that could explain the double-standard. Not sure what this has to do with anything.

      • BTW: I found this blog by doing a Google search for this story about the Vilna Gaon’s prediction. It was way down near the bottom of the search results, where crackpot hate-blogs belong.

        lies jakey.. << 4th from the top on my search..not down near the bottom..not with hate blogs..and why is it a hate blog..the only one hating is you..with your scorn for luther which ironically, you curse him to hell, and it was peasants having to pay to stay out of hell via the RCC that made him famous because he said that was wrong..the jews probably did the collecting for the RCC and skimmed 10% off the top.. 😀

        the big secret that some jews and zionists never want to see released..that you are a race not a religion..if i convert to judaism right now will i get a free plane trip to israel? no i wouldn't would I?..because i am not of the mother wasnt a jew..dont deny your racism jake..

      • Sounds to me like ‘Jews’ are all encompassing. They can be whatever they like, a race, a religion or a nationality. Kind of like the United States….a lot of sub ethnic groups of people living in the same nation that is splintered into many groups who also can choose to be whatever religion they like, even Judaism! How do you know you don’t already live in God’s Israel based on those assertions?

        My biggest question is IF ANYONE of ANY race or ethnic group can choose to become a Jew, than how can the few who consider themselves to be above all others in the world, possibly be the group of ‘chosen people’ by God?

        This frequently thrown out statement of ‘there’s much more to being a Jew than a religion or a race’ is equivalent to the Roman Catholic’s ‘mysteries’…..both nonsense to support their religious control over the people when they start to actually question this crazy authority all of these organizations claim they hold over the rest of us.

        In fact it would seem, that God’s ‘chosen ones’ are those who follow Him, regardless of race, ethnicity or religion. In my opinion, you won’t find God in a Synagogue or Temple anymore than you will find Him in a Roman Catholic Church or a Protestant Church. He’s either within you or not. Those who call themselves ‘zionists’ have nothing but hatred and disregard for humanity within them, or they would not kill innocent people for a lie and a piece of land placed in the trust of the Rothchild banker family! Nor would they destroy the lives of others to ‘own’ the world and enslave the remainders of humanity! Certainly not ‘holy’ or even nice for that matter.

        I don’t single out just the Zionist Jews either, because regardless of claiming to be Jews by religion, race or politics, or the Catholic pope’s claim to be God on Earth, every one of these religions at the top of the pyramid are controlled by the same oligarchy of ‘royal families’ who scheme, murder and care nothing for the rest of the people who live here except for their labor and how they can feed these worthless bunch of parasites.

        As far as the ‘Nazi’s’ go Jake, there were and are still today plenty of them around too who call themselves Jews, Catholics, Muslims, Swiss, German, American, Russian, Bolsheviks, Italians, Brits, etc…they all hide behind all of the same ‘isms’, so as to confuse and they seem to confuse Some People more than others.

        You’re just better off to follow the money Jake if you want to get closer to the truth of who IS NOT the chosen ‘ONES’ of God!

        • My biggest question is IF ANYONE of ANY race or ethnic group can choose to become a Jew, than how can the few who consider themselves to be above all others in the world, possibly be the group of ‘chosen people’ by God?

          oh..thats inconvenient..

      • Being chosen doesn’t mean we’re above anyone. It just means that we were chosen to receive the Torah. Nothing more, nothing less (despite what crackpot anti-semites, and genocidal antagonists would like people to believe).

  29. So it seems a non jew who commits murder is deserving of decapitation but for a jew murder is not considered a crime.

    • Exodus 20:13: “Thou shalt not kill”

      Put down the bottle Rev.

      • The Jewish Talmud and Legally
        Murdering Your Neighbor
        As noted elsewhere, regarding murder of the non-Jew, it is good and meritorious, providing you do not get caught and thus get the Talmudic religion exposed for what it is.

        However, permissible murder in Judaism embraces more than just killing Gentiles. Murder by suffocation is permissible. Here shyster hairsplitting is inserted in the Talmud, it being permissible to seal up a neighbor in an airtight “alabaster chamber,” providing one does not put in a lighted candle to help eat up the oxygen, but merely allowing the victim to expire by breathing the oxygen up himself unaided, this is acceptable. (See Exhibit 86 from Sanhedrin 77a-77b of the Talmud)

        Under Talmudic “law” other forms of murder are also permissible:

        Binding up your neighbor so that he dies of starvation. Just bind up the neighbor before it is hot or cold enough to kill him and all is well — you are guiltless of what follows. (See Exhibit 85)
        Binding up your neighbor so that he dies of sunstroke. (See Exhibit 85)
        Binding up your neighbor so that he dies of cold. (See Exhibit 85)
        Binding up your neighbor so that a lion may kill him. (See Exhibit 85) He could not have fought the lion anyway, so, it is acceptable, says the Talmud.
        Letting mosquitoes bite your neighbor to death. As for the mosquitoes, they come and go, so, since the ones which bit him when you tied the victim go away and others end his life, you are pure and blameless. (See Exhibit 85)
        Throwing your neighbor into a pit and leaving him to die there. (See Exhibit 86)
        Killing your neighbor with arrow wounds. (See Exhibit 86) Shooting the neighbor with an arrow is acceptable, since if there is balsam for sale somewhere, he presumably could have sent for some and thus have been cured instead of dying. (See Exhibit 86)
        You can also drown your neighbor and yet be “guiltless” of his death! Remember to follow Talmudic law, however, and cause the water to travel a little distance before it drowns the neighbor — then you are guiltless of his death! (See Exhibit 87)

        • gotta love the murderous logic..

          “Letting mosquitoes bite your neighbor to death. As for the mosquitoes, they come and go, so, since the ones which bit him when you tied the victim go away and others end his life, you are pure and blameless. (See Exhibit 85)”

      • Again, I’m no Talmudic expert like Rev17, but after a summary reading of Sanhedrin 77 its quite clear that the discussion is about the legal definition of murder, and whether binding someone up to let them die would qualify. It’s not saying its OK to do it, just that its not murder by legal definition. Besides, we’re talking about legal debates from over 1500 years ago. How is this at all relevant?

  30. According to the talmud the ten commandments are for jews and the noahide laws are for gentiles … Thou shalt not kill refers to the killing of jews but jews killing gentiles is permitted.

    • Only a brain-dead Jew hater would actually believe that Jewish law permits Jews wantonly killing gentiles. I truly feel sorry for you.

      • Jake maybe you can then explain why the talmud permits a rabbi to marry a three year old girl .. Of course it is understood these laws are 1500 years old but they are taught today in every yesiva ….

        The following is also typical concerning the fictitious age of sexual maturity of baby girls set by the Pharisee “sages:” “A maiden aged three years and one day may be acquired in marriage by coition …” See Exhibit 55 (Sanhedrin 55b), Exhibit 81 (Sanhedrin 69a-69b), Exhibit 156 (Yebamoth 57b), and Exhibit 159 (Yebamoth 60b); also Niddah 44b.

        And, at three, a baby girl is always rated as “one who is fit for cohabitation — that is one who has attained the age of three years and one day.” (Talmud, Yebamoth 60b, Exhibit 159) But, in the case of a baby girl who is not Jewish-born, or a so-called “proselyte,” she may be “married” thus by a grown priest: “A proselyte who is under the age of three years and one day is permitted to marry a priest;” although “one who is fit for cohabitation,” as stated on the same page, is “one who has attained the age of three years and one day.” (See Exhibit 159)

        This Talmud Yebamoth passage continues with the ruling in the case of a baby under three married to a grown man priest, and declared eligible to continue as his wife. (See Exhibit 160) The baby girl was a “proselyte,” of course, so age did not matter. But “under eleven years and one day” a little girl “carries on her marital intercourse in the usual manner.” (See Exhibit 152, Yebamoth 12b of the Talmud)

      • I’m wondering if you only protest Jewish law from 1500 years ago, permitting marriage to orphan girls who would otherwise become prostitutes, or if you also protest Muslims who to this very day marry off 9 year old girls to 40 year old men.

      • I am protesting jewish law because you are jewish and you are here expressing your opinion in support of Israel, I am attempting to help you understand why many people find jews difficult to relate to.
        But it is obvious you are well trained in talmudic reasoning, creating supposed conditions under which the law may be violated and redirecting the focus to your enemy.

      • That’s your reason for protesting Jewish law here & now. I’m asking if you have ever, in any forum, protested ancient Islamic law which is still practiced today. I’m not asking in order to disparage Muslims, or redirect focus on my enemy (my enemy is Nazis like you, not Muslims btw) but rather to expose your anti-Jew double standards.

      • I disagree equally with islam and judaism but you are here proclaiming your self righteousness yet defending the depravity of the talmud. It is understandable that jews are predisposed to mental illness being subject to the influence of the Babylonian Talmud with the realization that Babylon represents confusion.

      • in no order:
        “IDF soldier who shot British peace activist to be released from jail IDF: committee cuts sentence of former soldier Taysir Heib who was found guilty of manslaughter in the 2003 death of British peace activist Thomas Hurndall in the Gaza Strip.
        …In the verdict, the judges upheld all the arguments of the military prosecution, outlining and emphasizing the series of false and contradictory versions of the incident provided by Heib throughout the investigation.
        The judges found that Heib had shot Hurndall with a sniper’s rifle, using a telescopic sight, and that Heib had given a “confused and pathetic” version of events to the court…”
        “Israeli rights group: Probe IDF soldiers over deaths of Palestinian civilians
        B’Tselem report concludes no IDF soldier has been indicted for such deaths over the last four years…”
        “The Israel Defense Forces and the Israeli police in the West Bank will continue trying to convince the High Court of Justice on Monday that the routine of fear in which two elderly farmers live due to attacks by settlers is reasonable and proportionate.”
        Nuff said.
        “Israeli report on shootings of ’4 civilians’ fails to state that they were three sisters, 3, 5, and 9, and their grandmother”
        “Security-camera video showing two unarmed Palestinians crumpling to the ground during a lull in a stone-throwing clash with Israeli soldiers revived allegations by human rights activists Tuesday that the troops often use excessive force.
        The Israeli rights group B’Tselem said the images back its findings that troops killed the teens without cause by firing live rounds from more than 200 meters away. The soldiers were in “zero danger” at the time, said Sarit Michaeli of B’Tselem…”

        related to previous one:
        Israeli security forces ordered a Palestinian man to take down security cameras that captured the shooting deaths of two Palestinian boys in May, Human Rights Watch and Defense for Children International – Palestine said today. Footage recorded by cameras on the man’s building prompted an international outcry over the killings.
        Israeli military officers berated Fakher Zayed, 47, for sharing the security videos with human rights groups, claimed he had lied and fabricated evidence, and threatened to bring unspecified legal actions against him if he did not remove the security cameras, Zayed told Human Rights Watch and DCI-Palestine. A soldier threatened to “unleash dogs on my children,” he said.
        “Israel should be investigating these deaths, but instead its forces seem intent on intimidating witnesses and ensuring future abuses won’t be caught on camera,”…”
        “The report – Under Attack: Settler Violence against Palestinian Children in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, [with brochure] documents 38 incidents of settler violence against children during a two year period, in which three children were killed, and 42 injured….”
        “When Israeli Settlers Direct Violence at Palestinian Schoolchildren
        …Reaching a new low, that’s sadly not that new, Israeli settlers vandalized a Palestinian kindergarten in Hebron last week with vile hate speech, as Mairav Zonstein reported in +972.
        The settlers spray-painted “Death to Arabs” in Hebrew on the schoolyard wall, just another recent example of an attack directed at Palestinian children and schools in the West Bank….”
        “Israeli settlers on Wednesday assaulted Palestinian school children in the southern West Bank, a school official said.
        A school principal told Ma’an that a group of extremist Israeli settlers hurled stones at school girls in the village of al-Tuwani, leaving them bruised.
        Israeli soldiers stood by and watched without taking action as the settlers threw rocks, the principal said…”
        Just read the whole fucking thing if you don’t know about this one, ppl

        “Israeli settler threatening to fuck a little Palestinian girl if she comes over again”
        Published on Aug 27, 2012
        In the weekly demo in Nabi Saleh, several children made their way to the village’s spring, where they encountered a settler and two soldiers, who prevented them from reaching the spring with violent threats.

        From Mondoweiss:
        Listen to the settler discuss these Palestinian girls with the Israeli soldier:
        0:04—Soldier: “But you’re getting in our way, don’t you understand? You’re getting in our way.”
        0:07— Settler: “I’ll stand on the side. I’ll stand on the side, but if I see her coming near [here], remember, it doesn’t matter, 3, 4 or 7 years old, I’ll fuck her over.”
        0:12— Soldier: “No problem.”
        “…two settlers riding a quad bike attacked four children and their mother with stones as they were returning from school to the villages of Tuba and Maghayir al-Abeed, Operation Dove said.
        A seven-year-old was hit by a stone and fell while attempting to escape, injuring her head. She required five stitches for her wound.
        The family was attacked while using the only available path without requiring a military escort, which usually accompanies children from Tuba and Maghayir al-Abeed to their school due to the threat of settler violence…”
        “An Israeli Court acquitted, Tuesday, an Israeli soldier who shot and killed Ahmad Mousa, 10, during a nonviolent protest against the Annexation Wall in Ni’lin village, near the central West Bank city of Ramallah in 2008, despite his confession that he fired two bullets at the child.”
        “…a group of Israeli settlers raided Kortoba girls’ school in the southern city of al-Khalil (Hebron), Xinhua reported.
        The assailants threw stones and empty bottles at the small girls at the school…”
        “Away with Palestinian murder? IDF ‘killer’ given 45 days
        An Israeli soldier accused of killing a Palestinian mother and daughter carrying a white flag during Operation Cast Lead will serve just 45 days in prison. He agreed to a plea bargain and had his charge downgraded to “illegal use of weapon”.
        ¬The plea bargain on the reduced charge – down from manslaughter – was approved on Sunday by a military court in Jaffa.
        The investigation into the killing of a 64-year-old mother and her 35 year-old daughter, shot while walking with a group of Palestinians holding white flags after their home was bombed, was opened following a complaint filed by Israeli human rights group B’Tselem…”
        “Israeli officer threatens to rape Palestinian activists in custody (if this happened in Syria it would be headline news)
        Israeli police brutally arrest hunger strike demonstrators, threaten them with rape, Sawsan Khalife
        Thaira Zoabi, a 27-year-old activist from Nazareth, also suffered injuries at the hands of police on 3 May. “As soon as the protest began, the Israeli Yassam and police forces first arrested the bus driver and eight protesters. That did not stop us from continuing our protest demanding to release them all,” she said. “I was first attacked by a police officer when he lifted me up the ground with my kuffiyeh [traditional checkered scarf] that was around my neck, suffocating me and making it hard for me to breathe. They arrested me and eight other protesters. There were also Israeli and foreign activists amongst us. “The Israeli forces used [taser guns] and I have bruises on my arms and legs. I saw them open a protester’s mouth by force and spit in it, and they spit in my face as well. They beat us and used massive verbal violence. They did a full body search. While being under custody, a police officer of Ramle district addressed both me and another female activist while being cuffed with verbal sexual harassment, threatening to rape us. I have to admit I burst in tears.”…”
        “Witness accounts of two Tulkarem teens’ killings contradict Israel’s version
        …According to the eyewitness, Amer Nassar was “left on the ground for half an hour bleeding to death. A Palestinian ambulance was prevented from approaching him. Around 11pm, the army handed Amer’s body to the Palestinian ambulance.”…”
        (14 videos here, first one is):
        Coward Israeli Settlers Attack Elderly Palestinian Couple
        “…Over the brow of the hill walk four masked men holding baseball bats. To the right of the screen, in the foreground, stands a 58 year old Palestinian woman. Thatam al-Nawaja has been herding her goats close to the Jewish settlement of Susia, near Hebron in the southern West Bank. Within a few seconds, she, along with her 70 year old husband and one of her nephews will be beaten up…
        “…soldiers shot and killed the 14-year-old Palestinian boy… as he crossed the Separation Barrier. A-Shawamrehwas shot when he and two friends, Zahi a-Shawamreh, 13, and al-Muntaser Beallah a-Dardun, 18, were going through a wide breach in the Separation Barrier. The two other teenagers were not hit, and soldiers took them in for questioning at the Kiryat Arba police station. They were released later that day.
        B’Tselem’s investigation indicates that the three youths were crossing the barrier in order to pick gundelia [Arabic: ‘Akub], a thistle-like edible plant annually harvested at this time of year that serves as an important source of income for local residents. The section of the Separation Barrier in this area lies within the West Bank, some 200 meters east of the Green Line, not far from the village homes. The a-Shawamrehs own farmland that is now separated from them by the barrier, and that land is where the three youths were heading to gather plants.
        … By justifying the use of lethal fire in broad daylight at youths who posed no danger to any other persons, the above statement conveys a cynical lack of concern for the life of a Palestinian teenager. Israel’s security forces in the area are well aware that, for the past two years, Palestinians have been crossing the Separation Barrier at the breach at that particular point at this very season to pick gundelia on their own farmland. In his testimony to B’Tselem, a-Dardun stated that police officers had detained him and three of his friends at the very same spot two days before this incident. He said that, before letting them go, the police officers beat all four of them and confiscated the plants they had picked.
        The decision to mount an armed ambush at a point in the barrier known to be crossed by youths, who pose no danger whatsoever to anyone, for the purpose of harvesting plants, is highly questionable. It also indicates, at the very least, extremely faulty discretion on the part of the commanders. Moreover B’Tselem’s findings are markedly different from the description given by the IDF Spokesperson: the youths made no attempt at vandalism; they were crossing through a long-existing breach, and the soldiers did not carry out suspect arrest procedure, shooting at a-Shawamreh with no advance warning…”
        ‘Ayub was a little twelve-year-old boy on his way to school who was killed by the IDF “shelling”. Hearing about little Ayub really hit me hard. I think it is because he was on his way to school. The little boy was doing the “right thing” headed to school, and his life here was taken from him by dudes conducting war in a civilian population.”
        “Over the past 72 hours, the Israeli Occupation Forces (IOF) have escalated their aerial and ground attacks against the Gaza Strip. Five Palestinian civilians, including 3 children, have been killed, and 52 others, including 6 women and 12 children, have been wounded. Four of these deaths and 38 of the injuries resulted from an Israeli attack on a football playground in al-Shoja’iya neighborhood east of Gaza City…”
        (Numerous other incidents at this link),%2054%20Injured%20on%20Monday,%20Raising%20Death%20Toll%20to%2092%20and%20Injuries%20to%20740,%20November%2019,%202012.htm
        “A 20-months old toddler on Sunday evening died of serious burns he sustained after the fall of a tear gas grenade fired by Israeli troops into the house of his family in Qalandiya refugee camp near occupied Jerusalem.”
        (Numerous other incidents at this link)
        “The Israeli settlers’ attacks on Palestinian and their properties in the occupied
        Palestinian territory remains to be a main concern especially that such attacks are
        disregarded by the Israeli occupation Army; in fact much of such attacks are carried
        out under their protection and direct sight…”
        Analysis of attacks from November 2012 to May 2013 in the West Bank (number, type, etc; 48pp.)
        “In photos: Israeli bulldozers raze Bedouin community
        The village of al-Araqib, a Bedouin community in the Naqab (Negev) desert in the south of present-day Israel, was razed to the ground by state authorities for the sixty-ninth time since July 2010 last week. This demolition marked the first time police destroyed homes erected within the cemetery area of the village…”
        Shelters for residents’ livestock were destroyed during the demolition.
        After emptying water tanks, police load them onto trucks and took them away, leaving villagers, amongst them many children, without water in high temperatures.”
        An Israeli flag, probably fallen from one of the police cars, lies on the ground of al-Araqib. “They want to create a moon landscape,” said activist Gadi Algazi, “as if no one had ever been here.” ”
        (Many more excellent pics at link. This occurred yesterday).
        “Around 100 settlers from Bat Ayn settlement descended upon the Palestinian villages of Saffa and nearby Beit Ommar in the southern West Bank, shooting 17-year-old Yousef Fakhri Ikhlayl (left) in his head, leaving him critically injured. Doctors have announced that Yousef is currently brain-dead in a Hebron hospital.
        Settlers also shot 16-year-old Bilal Mohammad Abed Al-Qador with live ammunition in his arm.
        …Dozens of Palestinians from Beit Ommar and the nearby village of Surif began coming to the area to defend their communities. Seven jeeps of Israeli Forces also arrived in the area and escorted the settlers back to Bat Ayn. ..”

      • in no order
        Part 2:
        “7 Palestinian children killed by Israeli tank shell in northern Gaza
        While Palestinians have continued their preparations for holding the Palestinian presidential elections on 9 January 2005, Israeli occupation forces (IOF) killed 7 Palestinian children, including 2 brothers, by a tank shell in the northern Gaza Strip town of Beit Lahia on Tuesday morning, 4 January 2005. Six of the children are from the Ghaben family. This latest attack is further evidence of the disregard for the lives of Palestinian civilians and the excessive and indiscriminate use of force by IOF. Following the attack, IOF claimed that they targeted a number of members of the Palestinian resistance, but preliminary investigations conducted by PCHR refute this claim as all victims of the attack were children working on their agricultural land…”
        “The Palestinian Prisoners Society (PPS) has reported that Israeli soldiers have kidnapped more than 300 Palestinians in the ongoing invasions, and massive arrest campaign, conducted by the army starting on Thursday evening June 12, 2014. kidnapped_palestinians.jpg At least 52 former political prisoners, who were released under the Shalit Prisoner Swap deal in 2011, are among the Palestinians kidnapped during this ongoing Israeli invasion. Soldiers also kidnapped eleven members of the Palestinian Legislative Council (PLC)…”

        sick fuckers
        “Israeli troops kill Palestinian girl in the Gaza Strip
        Israeli occupation soldiers have shot and killed a three-year-old girl inside her home in central Gaza, eyewitnesses and medical sources said. Rahma Ibrahim Abu Shamas was reportedly inside her home in Dair al-Balah in central Gaza on Wednesday when a bullet struck her in the head, killing her instantly.
        Palestinian sources said Israeli soldiers manning an army watchtower at the nearby colony of Kfar Darom opened machinegun fire randomly on Palestinian homes around dawn on Wednesday.…”
        List of 933 palestinian minors killed between 2000 and 2007
        “On 29 October 1956, Israeli border police carried out a massacre in the Palestinian village of Kafr Qassem, situated in the central district of present-day Israel.
        The massacre took place on the eve of the Suez crisis — in which Israel invaded Egypt with the backing of France and Britain. It followed the announcement of a curfew by Israel in the middle of that day.
        Although most Palestinians who were outside their villages were doing agricultural work in the fields and had no way of knowing about the curfew, Israeli border police were ordered by the military to shoot anyone who returned after 5pm.
        Many Israeli officers did not comply. Yet in Kafr Qassem, the order was carried out. Forty-eight men, women and children were slain — 23 of the victims were children between eight and 17 years old. One of those killed was a pregnant woman.
        “You won’t find any mention of the massacre in any Israeli schoolbook sealed by the ministry of education,” Lina Badr, a 19-year-old from Kafr Qassem, said in an interview with The Electronic Intifada…”
        ‘Israeli soldiers had a “fun” time making what they called “Rachel Corrie pancakes.” “
        “…My lawyers appealed to an Israeli judge to exhume Ziad’s body in order for an autopsy to be performed. As it was clear that the autopsy would reveal the fact that Ziad was shot from point-blank range, Vinogradov completely altered his original testimony because he “suddenly remembered” that as he was standing above Ziad he saw him move his hand and so had to shoot him in the head…”
        short (~3 min vid)
        “Glick, Israeli Settlers Storm Al-Aqsa
        45 Israeli settler students from Talmudic institutions stormed al-Aqsa, today, led by Israeli Rabbi Yehuda Glick. Al Ray archive photo Al Ray archive photo The settlers, backed by Israeli police, invaded the mosque from al-Maghareba Gate, as usual, and toured in the courtyard in groups, according to Al Ray. Both worshipers and students were in the mosque as settlers made their tour and performed Talmudic rituals inside, said director of media at Aqsa Foundation for Waqf and Heritage, Mahmoud Abu al-Atta, noting that Israeli police had tightened their measures at the gates and demanded to see the identity cards of Palestinians present…”
        “Force-feeding Bill Approved for 2nd & 3rd Reading
        …Minister of Public Security, Yizhak Aharonovich, opened the discussion stating the aim of bill is “to prevent security prisoners from pressuring Israel through hunger strikes”…
        Also mentioned, during the meeting, was the fact that force feeding has caused death of prisoners in the past, to which MK Regev responded that this is “ancient history”, and “irrelevant”….”
        “Since 1967, Israel has detained around 20% of the Palestinian population and approximately 40% of Palestinian males.The majority of those arrested are transferred into Israel, where they are held and if charged will most likely serve their sentence. Although this is a clear violation of Article 76 in the Geneva Convention which states “all protected persons accused of an offense must be detained within the occupied country and if they are sentenced, they have to serve the sentence within it” Israel continues to transfer prisoners to its territory. As of April, 2014 approximately 5,021 Palestinians were being held by Israel. Of the aforementioned number, 22 Palestinian women are being held in Israeli jails.
        Palestinian prisoners are subject to various levels of both physical as well as psychological torture. These tactics begin at the moment of the arrest and are carried out during the investigation where they continue until even after the prisoner is charged. Additionally, Palestinian women are subject to sexual harassment by Israeli jail guards as well as soldiers and police officers during their detention time. You can read more about Palestinian women held in Israeli jails here.
        On April 11th, I was arrested in the village of Nabi Saleh and wrongfully charged with stone throwing as well as assaulting a soldier. The testimony of a 20 or so year old soldier was enough to push for indictment and send me to Hasharon jail held in Israel…”
        “Soldiers Attack Palestinians Holding Mock Soccer Match In front Of Ofer Prison
        Nonviolent Palestinian activists held a mock soccer match in front of the Ofer Prison, near the central West Bank city of Ramallah, to express solidarity with hunger striking detainees, and were violently attacked by the soldiers.
        Abdullah Abu Rahma of the Popular Resistance Committee against the Israeli Annexation Wall and Israel’s illegitimate settlements, told the Palestinian TV that, as the world attention is focused on the World Cup in Brazil, the Palestinians want to draw the world attention to more than 200 detainees who are now in near-death conditions.
        “In our own way, we want to draw attention to hundreds of striking detainees”, Abu Rahma said, “to tell the world that hunger strike continues in Israeli detention camps”.
        As the Palestinian nonviolent activists, wearing T-shirts made of Palestinian flags, started their mock soccer match, Israeli soldiers attacked them, and hurled concussion grenades at them…”
        “Mother of five killed by Israeli artillery fire close to Gaza buffer zone
        Three relatives also wounded in shelling on Gaza border, as family say no rockets were heard being fired before attack
        “For the past few days Haaretz has carried numerous stories about the riveting eyewitness testimony from IDF officers concerning cold-blooded murders of unarmed Palestinian civilians. The second day of their testimony wasn’t available in the English edition of Haaretz last night, which was why I translated excerpts. But Haaretz now does have the English version available in a fuller translation than my own hastily composed one.
        Iris Hefets also informs me that Israeli blogger and seruvnik Idan Landau has compared Haaretz’s Hebrew version of the eyewitness transcript to the original and finds several telling phrases omitted (he uses the term “censored”). If you read Hebrew you can follow that interesting sidebar of the main story.
        Tonight I wanted to bring you an equally distressing story which tells of the budding fashion sense of IDF soldiers who, when they return from killing Gazans, boast of personalized T-shirts that they design often with the approval of their IDF superior officers. To be clear, the shirts are not officially sanctioned by the IDF. But the phenomenon is so widespread and tone of the slogans so toxic, that the IDF might just as well have endorsed them….”

        ‘Haniyeh: the whole the dick is in (that is, ‘raped by’) the Riflemen…”
        “…Israeli soldiers destroyed a house and cattle farm belonging to Deifallah Rashayda and Jihad Rashayda, leaving 12 family members homeless.
        During the demolition, soldiers assaulted five women with the butts of their rifles, locals said. All five women were taken to hospital for treatment after being assessed by Red Crescent medics at the scene…”
        Israeli War Crimes Against Children During Operation Cast Lead
        … PCHR reviewed IDF killing of Gaza’s children since the beginning of the Second Intifada in September 2000, then focused on the 313 youth deaths during the recent conflict. Its evidence comes from eye-witness accounts of the willful targeting of civilians, including women and children. Also covered are the psychological scars and “alarming scale of physical injuries” leaving some children blind and many others (as well as adults) permanently disabled by the loss of limbs and psychological trauma.
        PCHR’s report bears testimony to Israel’s contempt for international laws, its imperial agenda, culture of violence, disdain for peace, genocidal intentions, disparagement of Arabs and Islam, and its scorn for Palestinian lives and welfare.
        PCHR presented 13 case studies in its report. Briefly discussed below, they represent a small fraction of the many hundreds killed and thousands more grievously harmed.
        Since the September 2000 Second Intifada, Israeli forces killed 1179 children, including 865 in Gaza as part of a decades-long policy of collectively punishing millions of Palestinians in the Occupied Territories, mostly civilian men, women, and children….”
        “Netanyahu: Israel has right to pre-emptive attack on Iran”
        VIDEO: One Month for Schoolchildren in Hebron: Stun Grenades, Tear Gas, and Detentions
        For children in al-Khalil (Hebron), the journey to school can be filled with fear, fear of Israeli soldiers, of military weapons, detentions, and arrests. The violence is all too real in this city, and it is unfortunately not an uncommon experience for children, some as young as four-years-old.
        …ISM activists monitor checkpoint 29 each school day morning and afternoon. Over the last month, this is what the ISM activists have witnessed:
        May 7th: A group of four Israeli soldiers tried to enter in the boys school and detained two young children. However, the teachers of the school were able to convince the soldiers to release both boys. After the soldiers ended the detention, they ran up the street and threw one tear gas grenade and two stun grenades at other schoolchildren. In cases like this it is clear how important the job of the teachers is in this area, and how difficult it is to is educate under military occupation….”
        Other examples follow
        “Hundreds of Israeli settlers gathered on a main road in the northern West Bank on Monday and hurled stones at Palestinian vehicles, witnesses said.
        Locals told Ma’an that settlers arrived in buses to an intersection near the town of Yaabad near Jenin. Under guard by Israeli troops, the settlers climbed a hill and began to hurl stones at Palestinian vehicles.
        While throwing the rocks, the settlers chanted “Death to Arabs,” witnesses said.
        The stones smashed through the windshields of several Palestinian vehicles as soldiers stood by, locals told Ma’an….”
        Israeli Navy boats have opened fire at Palestinian fishermen boats again, this time in the al-Sodania area, northwest of Gaza.
        PNN correspondence has reported that the sounds of bombs and gun shootings were heard near the fishing boats, which were within the area of 6 miles officially allowed for Palestinians to fish in.
        However, the Israeli Navy continues to follow them through the Gaza Sea, opening fire towards their boats, arresting them and preventing them from fishing.
        Palestinian Medical sources reported no injuries.”
        “Extra-Judicial Executions as Israeli Government Policy
        Extra-Judicial Executions Committed by the Israeli Occupation Forces (IOF) August 2006 – June 2008…”
        “…The Israeli military commits terrible crimes against the Palestinian people. I have seen them arresting and detaining adults and children for no reason, physically and verbally harassing the people of the city, using their military weapons against adults, youths and children, as well as a hundred and one other injustices that impact the daily lives of Palestinians in al-Khalil.
        The settlers in al-Khalil are above the law. They attack Palestinians and steal their land and property on a regular basis. The Israeli military not only does nothing to stop this, but in many cases they condone and encourage it. I have seen settler youth throwing stones at Palestinian homes, while Israeli soldiers watched on. When we asked the soldiers to do something to stop this, they replied they would do nothing, as they are “children”. However Israeli soldiers have no qualms in using violence against Palestinian children. I have come to al-Khalil as a solidarity activist; one of the activities I participate in almost daily is ‘school checkpoint watch’. This is where I would assist in monitoring a specific checkpoint the children of the city are forced to go through on their way to school. I have witnessed Israeli soldiers harassing and searching children as they go through the checkpoint, firing tear gas and stun grenades at them and into their schools, and detaining children, some as young as six-years-old….”
        “…A leading Swedish newspaper reported this week that Israeli soldiers are abducting Palestinians in order to steal their organs, a claim that prompted furious condemnation and accusations of anti-Semitic blood libel from a rival publication.”
        “Israeli MDs harvesting organs for international trafficking ring Costa Rica says ring allegedly sold kidneys to patients in Israel, East Europe; Health Ministry: No knowledge of reported cases….”
        “Israeli suspected of luring women into organ traffic ring Be’er Sheva resident allegedly enticed young women to fly to Turkey, where their kidneys would be removed and sold…”
        “Police smash Israeli organ-trafficking ring
        A retired army brigadier general is among six suspects arrested by Israeli police investigating an organ-trafficking ring, police say.
        The organisation offered as much as $100,000 (£65,600) for kidneys, which were transplanted by doctors in poor countries, a sting operation uncovered.
        …The trafficking ring came to light after a 50-year-old woman from Nazareth came to police…She told them she was flown to Azerbaijan where doctors removed her kidney.
        On her return to Israel she was expecting to be given $100,000, but she never received the money…”
        “Israeli forces kill another Palestinian girl inside school
        The killing of a Palestinian schoolgirl is the second such fatality in the area in two days. Israeli troops shot and killed a 65-year-old man who was walking near an army post on Sunday.
        … Israeli occupation forces (IOF)… opened fire at an elementary school in Rafah, Killing an 11-year-old schoolchild and injuring a second one when the two were in the schoolyard.
        … Two Palestinian schoolchildren were wounded: 11-year-old Nouran Eyad Deeb was seriously wounded by a live bullet in the head; and 8-year-old ‘Aaesha ‘Essam al-Khatib, was wounded by a live bullet in the right hand, while the two were about to enter their classrooms. The two children were evacuated to Abu Yousef al-Najjar Hospital in Rafah, but the first child died a few minutes later. According to a teacher at school, the area was completely quiet when IOF opened fire which absolutely terrified the schoolchildren.
        Palestinian educational institutions have been frequently attacked by IOF, and PCHR has documented dozens of such attacks, which injured dozens of schoolchildren while they were at school. In two of such attacks in September and October 2004, 2 schoolchildren were killed by IOF in Khan Yunis refugee camp, when the two were sitting on their desks…”
        “UNESCO group votes to protect ancient Palestinian terraces from Israel’s wall
        … If Battir cannot be saved by UNESCO’s World Heritage Program as it rightfully should, Israel’s illegal Separation Barrier (International Court of Justice’s Advisory Opinion in 2004) will destine Battir to a common Palestinian fate: an uprooted people, an eternal lack of contiguity between families and friends, and a people deprived of their rights to cultural participation, self-determination, and dignity.
        If Israel is allowed to continue with its unilateral security decisions, the illegal Separation Barrier will rob the indigenous people of Battir of their right to economic, social, and cultural rights not to mention that Israel’s actions will invalidate the 65 year old Rhodes Armistice Agreements between Israel and the people of Battir. These agreements stipulate that the people of Battir have access to their lands that fell within the Israeli state and retain ownership of them in exchange for their security cooperation regarding the ‘Jerusalem-Jaffa’ railway that runs through the village. Until today, there has not been one Palestinian violation to this agreement. Peculiar enough, but not eccentric for Israel, the Separation Barrier is to be built running through the village of Battir for ‘security reasons’ to protect the seldom-used railway which Palestinians are not permitted to use. Meanwhile, a modern light railway is being built elsewhere by the Israeli government to service the same route faster…”
        “…Palestinian farmers in Jenin on Wednesday accused settlers of deliberately releasing wild boars and stray dogs onto their land to attack livestock.
        Farm owner Amal Labadi told Ma’an that “dozens of stray dogs and boars attacked my farm in the southern neighborhood of al-Yamun, killing eight sheep and wounding others.”…”
        “PA: Israel ruins ancient cemetery, steals contents near Nablus
        The Palestinian ministry of tourism and antiquities has accused Israel of ruining an archeological cemetery between Nablus and Tulkarem in the northern West Bank near the village of Deir Sharaf.
        Director of the ministry’s department of antiquities protection Salih Tawafsha told Ma’an that the Israeli antiquities authority escorted with Israeli forces “stole all the contents of the cemetery” after they carried out “illegal” excavations while the Israelis refurbished the main road.
        Such procedures, says Tawafsha, mark a violation of heritage-related international conventions.
        He highlighted that experts from the Palestinian ministry of tourism and antiquities went to the cemetery to do excavations, but the Israelis denied them access.”
        “Israeli soldier discusses killing Palestinian children on Ukrainian game show”


    third hit for me…. lol… someone making this a popular page…

  32. you know, this whole prophecy is pretty ridiculous when you think about it.

    kiev is the former capital of russia. sebastapol has been a russian port for more than a century. tens of thousands of russian troops have been kept in crimea for dozens of decades.

  33. Judaism’s Strange Gods

    The extent to which the mixed racial character of the people who call themselves Jews has been acknowledged, beneath Judaism’s covert charade, by the rabbis themselves, is instructive. One manifestation of this awareness centers on the heavily shrouded inner teaching that the adherents of Judaism are racially descendants of Cain. The secret teaching of one school of the Kabbalah centers on the instruction of Rabbi Isaac Luria who emphasized the high status of Cain. Rabbi Luria taught that the spirit of Cain would increasingly prevail in the world as the realization of the process of tikkun olam is achieved: “…therefore, many of the great figures of Jewish history are represented as stemming from the root of Cain, and as the messianic time approaches, according to Isaac Luria, the number of such souls will increase.”
    This is particularly perverse in light of the fact that Jewish lore
    holds that Cain is the literal descendant of Satan, conceived
    during sexual intercourse between Eve and the serpent. Page 110

    The uncensored Talmud is replete with Procustean absurdities and the filthiest and most psychotic libels and maledictions aagainst non-Jews, women and Bible patriarchs conceivable. This writer has included but a small sample for purposes of documenting the authentic contents of this hate-canon. I have spared the reader numerous other Talmudic citations of sexual obsessions and pathologies so foul and despicable, they would be difficult for most people to even imagine. In spite of this, the Talmud should not be banned, since its unexpurgated contents are perhaps the greatest single indictment of the religion of Judaism. Maybe that is why, up until recently, the study of the complete and uncensored Talmud by Gentiles was an offense punishable by death (Sanhedrin 59a).
    Books brimming with Talmud selections may be found in stores across the land, containing passages that have been falsified outright (as in the Schindler’s List quotation), or carefully edited to restrict the contents only to those segments that can be construed as imparting the “wisdom and humanitarianism of the sages.” P 119

    • One manifestation of this awareness centers on the heavily shrouded inner teaching that the adherents of Judaism are racially descendants of Cain.

      no we are getting into the meaty bits..2 seedline theory..

      • According to Jewish tradition all of of mankind is descended from Cain. More basic stuff.

        • well you would say that..and what was abel’s role? and why did cain kill abel?

          in 2 seedline theory cain was conceived via satan and eve..abel was conceived via adam and the line of cain is the line of satan and the line of abel is the rest of humanity..maybe thats why you are so “special”? 🙂

      • Im not familiar with the 2 seedline theory, it sounds like Catholic-inspired nonsense to me. Judaism regards Satan as a servant of God. An force that opposes the good nature of humanity, in existence to challenge and ultimately strengthen mankind. The parable is as follows: If you assembled the greatest baseball players of all time and put them on a field, they wouldn’t be able to demonstrate their greatness unless there was an opposing team for them to beat. Mankind has tremendous potential for good, but without an opposing force we are unable to realize that potential.

      • On a separate note, I find it amusing that I’m on this forum discussing Torah with a group of Jew-haters. Moses must be smiling from his grave.

      • maybe Nehushtan can save you?

  34. What follows is an indepth study of the two seedline theory from a christian perspective although considered a heresy in christianity …

    DNA Paternity Test Reveals Twins With Different Fathers

    “Cincinnati, OH. U.S.A. December 13, 2005-DNA Diagnostics Center (DDC), a Leading DNA testing company, reports several cases of twins that DNA paternity testing proved to have different fathers. Such occurrences, although rare, are being more frequently revealed via DNA testing.

    “These cases underline the necessity for testing both fraternal twins in a paternity test if any doubt at all exists about the circumstances surrounding the twins’ conception,” says Dr Michael Baird, DDC’s laboratory director. Paternity test results are often used as basis for child support and custody decisions. Further, the biological father’s medical history, such as information about hereditary disease, could be important for a child’s overall health maintenance.

    Fraternal twins are formed when two separate eggs are fertilized by two sperms. If a woman has contact with different partners within her fertile time period and has multiple ovulations it is possible for her to have fraternal twins or even triplets with different fathers. This phenomenon has been dubbed in medical literature as heteropaternal superfecundation.

    “There is a small time window when eggs are able to be fertilized,” says Dr. Baird. Sperm cells can live inside a woman’s body for 4-5 days. Once ovulation occurs, the egg remains viable for 12-48 hours before it begins to disintegrate. Thus, the fertile period can span 5-6 days.

    Satan’s Impregnation of Eve

  35. It is interesting that Cain is not listed in Adams genealogy but has a separate genealogy.
    The story may be viewed as an allegory having hidden meaning better understood in the original language …

    GENESIS 3. – Strongs Hebrew definitions

    1 And the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which YHWH Elohim had made …


    3 But the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, Elohim has said, ‘Do not eat of it, nor touch it, lest you die.’ ….


    13 … And the woman said, ” The serpent deceived me, and I ate. ”


    15 – ” And I put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed. He shall crush your head and you shall crush His heel. ”
    SEED – ZERA – carnally, child, fruitful, seed

    GENESIS 4:25    And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

    SEED – ZERA – carnally, child, fruitful, seed

    This is a fragment of the Dead Sea Scrolls translated from Aramaic …

    And Adam knew that his wife Eve had conceived
    from Sammael the angel (of death)
    and she became pregnant and bore Cain.
    And he was like those on high and not like those below.
    And she said:
    — “I have got a man from the angel of the LORD.”

    Understanding what they believe sheds light on their intent to rule the earth and subdue it.

    • I am not a follower of any of the abrahamic religions but obviously there are many who do believe, both among the ruling families and ordinary people, ins some version or them or “another”. Reading your comment I had an idea: the 2 seedlines thing: maybe that is why so many of the women have children by men other than their husbands, like Diana’s mother…? Because it is imitative of the Eve-Satan>Cain thing for ritual purpose and perhaps also a practical purpose like to preserve some particular trait of the bloodline? I had been thinking it was a way to forge clandestine ties between prominent families, but perhaps the forging is more genetic than familial/business in nature?

      • Very interesting observation as maintaining the purity of the bloodline was taken seriously ..

        So Isaac called for Jacob and blessed him. Then he commanded him: “Do not marry a Canaanite woman. 2 Go at once to Paddan Aram,[a] to the house of your mother’s father Bethuel. Take a wife for yourself there, from among the daughters of Laban, your mother’s brother. 3 May God Almighty[b] bless you and make you fruitful and increase your numbers until you become a community of peoples. Gen 28

        And would then be likely the reason Diana was killed.

      • interesting point..dont pollute the bloodlines..

  36. The Royal Red Dragon Bloodlines

  37. Hey Jake can you explain this …

    Israeli lawmaker’s call for genocide of Palestinians gets thousands of Facebook likes
    Submitted by Ali Abunimah on Mon, 07/07/2014 – 16:12

    Ayelet Shaked (Wikipedia)
    A day before Palestinian teenager Muhammad Abu Khudair was kidnapped and burned alive allegedly by six Israeli Jewish youths, Israeli lawmaker Ayelet Shaked published on Facebook a call for genocide of the Palestinians.

    It is a call for genocide because it declares that “the entire Palestinian people is the enemy” and justifies its destruction, “including its elderly and its women, its cities and its villages, its property and its infrastructure.”

    It is a call for genocide because it calls for the slaughter of Palestinian mothers who give birth to “little snakes.”

    If Shaked’s post does not meet the legal definition of a call for genocide then nothing does.

    Shaked is a senior figure in the Habeyit Hayehudi (Jewish Home) party that is part of Israel’s ruling coalition.

    Her post was shared more than one thousand times and received almost five thousand “Likes.”

    Uri Elitzur, to whom she refers, and who died a few months ago, was leader of the settler movement and speechwriter and close advisor to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

    Here’s a full translation of Shaked’s posting:

    This is an article by the late Uri Elitzur, which was written 12 years ago, but remained unpublished. It is as relevant today as it was at the time.

    The Palestinian people has declared war on us, and we must respond with war. Not an operation, not a slow-moving one, not low-intensity, not controlled escalation, no destruction of terror infrastructure, no targeted killings. Enough with the oblique references. This is a war. Words have meanings. This is a war. It is not a war against terror, and not a war against extremists, and not even a war against the Palestinian Authority. These too are forms of avoiding reality. This is a war between two people. Who is the enemy? The Palestinian people. Why? Ask them, they started.

    I don’t know why it’s so hard for us to define reality with the simple words that language puts at our disposal. Why do we have to make up a new name for the war every other week, just to avoid calling it by its name. What’s so horrifying about understanding that the entire Palestinian people is the enemy? Every war is between two peoples, and in every war the people who started the war, that whole people, is the enemy. A declaration of war is not a war crime. Responding with war certainly is not. Nor is the use of the word “war”, nor a clear definition who the enemy is. Au contraire: the morality of war (yes, there is such a thing) is founded on the assumption that there are wars in this world, and that war is not the normal state of things, and that in wars the enemy is usually an entire people, including its elderly and its women, its cities and its villages, its property and its infrastructure.

    And the morality of war knows that it is not possible to refrain from hurting enemy civilians. It does not condemn the British air force, which bombed and totally destroyed the German city of Dresden, or the US planes that destroyed the cities of Poland and wrecked half of Budapest, places whose wretched residents had never done a thing to America, but which had to be destroyed in order to win the war against evil. The morals of war do not require that Russia be brought to trial, though it bombs and destroys towns and neighborhoods in Chechnya. It does not denounce the UN Peacekeeping Forces for killing hundreds of civilians in Angola, nor the NATO forces who bombed Milosevic’s Belgrade, a city with a million civilians, elderly, babies, women, and children. The morals of war accept as correct in principle, not only politically, what America has done in Afghanistan, including the massive bombing of populated places, including the creation of a refugee stream of hundreds of thousands of people who escaped the horrors of war, for thousands of whom there is no home to return to.

    And in our war this is sevenfold more correct, because the enemy soldiers hide out among the population, and it is only through its support that they can fight. Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. Actors in the war are those who incite in mosques, who write the murderous curricula for schools, who give shelter, who provide vehicles, and all those who honor and give them their moral support. They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there.

    Shocking words like this from Israeli leaders have an impact. And they are words backed by actions.

    When Israel rampages against the entire Palestinian population, subjecting them to what Human Rights Watch calls “collective punishment,” it sends a clear message to the Israeli public that any Palestinian is fair game for “revenge.”

    Shaked evidently has much worse in mind.

  38. Jake as you are apparently incapable of explaining Ayelet Shaked allow me …
    First I want to give her credit for her honesty because we are searching for truth. Her honesty exposes the heart of Judaism and Zionism, her own words condemn her and you and Judaism and Zionism.
    She is a creation of Benjamin Netanyahu, she is an Israeli Lawmaker and paints for us a clear picture of Israeli law based upon the Talmud.
    While many Jews may be shocked by the raw honesty of this demented psychopath yet the flag of anti-semitism will be raised ever higher as justification.

    • You can believe whatever you want. You mean nothing. The Zionist objective is to restore Israel and live in peace with neighboring Arabs. We will achieve that goal no matter how long it takes. You can call us racists, terrorists, occupiers, colonizers — lies and slander won’t deter us. Anti-semitism is a dying cause, since the vast majority of Jews will be living in Israel within 50 years. As for the Arab enemy, we will outlast them because for them this is a land of conquest, and for us it is our home.

      • Jake get real … Ayelet Shaked has more balls than you, she is more a man than you, rendering your propaganda meaningless.

      • Still waiting for a link

      • “You can believe whatever you want. You mean nothing. The Zionist objective is to restore Israel and live in peace with neighboring Arabs…”
        There is the voice of the psychopath. You state what is on the surface 2 contradictory objectives: stealing someone else’s land and yet simultaneously living in “peace” with them. But you give yourself away with your “You mean nothing.” comment: it is clear what you really mean by “live in peace” is to genocide all of your “neighbors”. But in point of fact you have no neighbors: you cannot have neighbors because you are an invading and occupying force, whereas being a neighbor requires reciprocity that one be a neighbor back.

      • Its our land

      • The 1949 borders are your land, looks like you get another pic!

      • You should seek professional help for your blood-lust.

        There is no such thing as a 1949 border. Only armistice lines that were voided in 1967.

      • That’ll get you 2 for both lies. I’m not remotely bloodthirsty, I’ve never killed kids or sanctioned killing kids, but you do. Got to run to work, Jake, I’ll be back to see if you’re telling more lies later, so don’t be a bad boy! 😉

      • May those poor Hamas hostages RIP.

      • They are IDF victims, you win another pic, Jake!
        Here, you might like this one too! Might even be one of your relatives! 🙂

      • too bad that first one you will have to click on, looks like I missed a space typing. Here is a replacement, since I know you are too gutless to actually look:

      • Hmm, that one I did leave a good space, must just be the link. Oh well, it was just a bloody little shoe. I’m sure you will not have the courage to actually click on that link either. Don’t tell any more lies now Jake. The world is watching you.

      • I have no problem with children signing the artillery shells. We aren’t morally confused like the morons on this blog. We know we are the good guys fighting evil genocidal maniacs, and we support our heroic army fighting for our safety.

      • I knew you would not have problems with signing the artillery shells jake, which shows that you are the bloodthirsty one.
        You are however very morally confused, you aren’t remotely good, you are not fighting evil, you are fighting reisstance to your pathogenic presence, your army is gutless and cowardly sitting protected behind the US funded Iron Dome and crying like a baby whenever some cheapass home made bottle rocket so much as pings off it
        It’s hard to know how much you are lying and how much you are just freaking delusional, but all that drivel at least adds up to one lie. Here you go; enjoy, you murderous little fuck!

    • While many Jews may be shocked by the raw honesty of this demented psychopath yet the flag of anti-semitism will be raised ever higher as justification.

      didnt that flag go up quick!

  39. Already provided by seeker …

    “Israeli academic: raping Palestinian women would deter attacks
    Published on 21 July 2014
    Mordechai Kedar, an Israeli scholar of Arabic literature and lecturer at Bar-Ilan University, declared Monday that raping the wives and mothers of Palestinian combatants would deter attacks.
    “The only thing that could deter a suicide bomber is knowing that if caught, his sister or his mother would be raped,” said Kedar during a radio talk show.
    Listen to Hebrew-language radio show ; Kedar’s comment begins at 1:35:00:
    Kedar, who is an academic expert on the Palestinian population within Israel, served for twenty-five years in the military intelligence, where he specialized in Islamic groups.
    He is a researcher at the right-wing Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies of Bar Ilan University, as well as the founder and current director of the Israel Academia Monitor, a neo-McCarthyst website that follows alleged “anti-Israel activities of Israeli academics”.
    During the interview on the Hakol Diburim national daily talk programme of Israel Radio Bet, the interviewer, Yossi Hadar, responded that Kedar’s proposal “sounds bad […] We can not of course take such measures.”
    These remarks did not deter Kedar, who responded that “it is culture…” and “this is the Middle East”, before adding that “I did not speak about what we are doing or not doing. I am speaking about the reality: the only thing that will deter a suicide bomber – if he knew that if he pulls the trigger, his sister will be raped.”..”

  41. Just today I had a nice 40 minute conversation with an Arab store owner, we talked about everything including the Gaza war. The scumbags on this site are 100X worse than the most racist Arab. One thing we agreed with at the end of our conversation was that the outside influences are happy to see us dying while they continue raping the Middle East. Every time I have a conversation like this with Arabs we agree on this one point. One day the majority on both sides will recognize it, and the Western anti-semitic vermin will be the common enemy. Be afraid of that day, its coming faster than you think.

    • Lol, afraid of you? There’s a lot of things wrong with my own nation, and I admit every one of them. If you ever bothered to look beyond this one article, you’d already know that! But if it doesn’t concern Israel, you have no interest. But one thing my nation doesn’t lack and that’s firepower and men. You’d be a grease spot if we ever turned against you and that’s a fact.

      • I must’ve hit a nerve.. The Arabs won’t be your Jew-killing mercenaries forever. One day they will wake up.

        • why do al qaeda and isis never attack israel..their sworn enemy?

          • Al Qaeda hasn’t gotten orders from the CIA yet. ISIS is consolidating gains, and has threatened attacks on Israel from the East.

            • threats blah blah blah..correct, AQ havent gotten orders from the CIA yet and they never will..and you know that..ISIS comes from the same factory as AQ and you know that to..they will not attack israel..but they will destabilize countries around israel and give it excuses to stay aggressive..its a tired old game plan that has worked for decades..

              it matters not who the perceived enemy long as there is one..

      • lmao, you couldn’t hit the broadside of a barn. I and everyone else here have never suggested that anyone serve as anyone’s mercenaries, you lying little clown. And the only people killing jews are killing them in self defense.

      • Almost forgot, that’s another lie, have another pic, asshole!

      • seeker- AQ and ISIS are not the same. ISIS broke off from AQ because they were becoming weak and unfocused (or the fighters started questioning who was really calling the shots). It remains to be seen who ISIS really is.

        Why would AQ bother fighting Israel? they’re based too far away, and there are several other mercenary groups handling that job, including Hamas, Hezbollah, KGB-created & US-funded PLO, Islamic Jihad, and others.

        Destabilizing countries allows the U.S. to fill the vacuum, Israel is only part of that equation if they agree to remain a US-client state. A strong independent Israel is a threat to the U.S. goal of Middle East domination, hence the U.S. obsession with creating a PLO-state which would severely weaken Israel.

        How do you explain Egypt? Israel did not benefit from the destabilization of that country. The CIA fomented that revolution, and thankfully the Egyptian military took back their country before it was too late. Your insinuation that the CIA is protecting Israel had me ROFL.

        • Why would AQ bother fighting Israel? they’re based too far away

          jake..possibly the most stupid sentence, amongst a plethora of stupid statements, you have made..

          Destabilizing countries allows the U.S. to fill the vacuum

          no..destabilizing countries around israel gives them the excuse to kill..

          Israel did not benefit from the destabilization of that country.

          it didnt eh? so why do you then say this: “God bless Egypt and President Al-Sissi”

          Your insinuation that the CIA is protecting Israel had me ROFL.

          your insinuation that you dont think they do shows schoolboy like intelligence and child like naivety..

          • Point is, AQ is not being ordered to attack Israel, most likely because there are several affiliated groups based closer to Israel already attacking.

            So you think the countries are being destabilized so that Israel can randomly kill people? Talk about a stupid statement… Geez

            The destabilization of Egypt was a plot to do away with the old military regime that had kept Egypt stable & secure for 5 decades. The military overthrow of Morsi reversed it and Egypt is now a stable country again.

  42. It should be clear the Zionist agenda has entered a new phase, this post on facebook was no accident, this was designed to shock, this is the removal of the mask.

    From 2006 to 2008, she was office director for the office of Benjamin Netanyahu. From 2010 to 2012, she established My Israel with Naftali Bennet.

    My Israel
    Founder Ayelet Shaked
    My Israel (Hebrew: ישראל שלי‎, Yisra’el Sheli) is an Israel right wing extra-parliamentary movement. Its website describes it as a “movement for Zionist activity”.

    The movement was founded in early 2010 by Ayelet Shaked and Naftali Bennett, who previously worked together in Benjamin Netanyahu’s office. The movement cooperates with the Yesha Council in the fields of logistics and PR. As of September 2011 the movement’s Hebrew Facebook page had over 62 thousand subscribers and the English page over 26 thousand.

    The movement deals[1] with public relations across the internet and especially on social networks[citation needed] and Wikipedia.[2] but also arranges protests and demonstrations against alleged anti-Zionist activity in society and the media.

    Shaked: Stop Worrying and Apologizing for Being Zionist

    “Building communities throughout all of the Land of Israel has always been the lifeblood of Zionism,” Shaked explained, “from the immigrant groups who arrived pre-state, through the establishment of border communities after the War of Independence and the establishment of communities in regions liberated in the Six Day War.”

    “In recent times, these settlements have become devalued in the eyes of our leaders,” Shaked stated. “Suddenly, the establishment of a new community – once celebrated all over the country – has become a rare event. The pulse of Zionism throbbing in the veins of our country has begun to weaken.”

    “Especially now, when the flourishing communities in Judea and Samaria are facing external threats, we must say [to the world]: ‘Building communities in Israel – this is Zionism,” she continued.

    Shaked called on the government to stop apologizing, to stop being afraid of world powers, and to tell the world that “we must return to the values ​​that led to the rebirth of Israel in its land – the establishment of new communities.”

    Last week, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu slammed the EU for summoning envoys over recently unveiled plans for some 1,800 new homes for Jews in the ancient Jewish capital of Jerusalem, and the Biblical heartland of Judea and Samaria.

  43. can you guys stop clogging the comments with your “dialogue” with a zionist mental child?

    besides the horrors, there are some wonderful things happening – more than 30 dead idf scumbags and tel aviv airport closed. chile, ireland, and others preparing sanctions. BDS getting more attention than ever.

    for gazans, only two things mean victory – staying alive and affecting life in israel negatively in even the tiniest way.

    every single zionist idiot in my office has admitted that israel is “going too far” and needs to change to order to make peace – just like finkelstein’s book says. you should witness the ensuing hilarity when i say “welcome to left zionism! when the the israeli filth chant מוות לשמאלנים! they are talking about you!”

    kiddies like jakey derive pleasure from wasting your time. stay positive, promote BDS, and celebrate the small victories like the dead idf filth.

    • Victory for Gaza would be Israel uprooting Hamas. BDS is a group of hate mongering dimwits who, if successful, will give Israel no choice but to annex the West Bank since unilateral withdrawal and/or surrender is not an option. Flight ban is temporary and ELAL profit is soaring in the meantime.

      More great news: over 200 Hamas and IJ militants killed thus far, hundreds more arrested. Next phase of IDF operation will focus on underground command and control centers housing senior Hamas officials. Gaza is close to being cured of Hamas cancer. Oh, and over 400 Jewish patriots have made aliyah since the start of the operation.

      • blah blah blah… you are masturbating jakey – literally no one on this blog has been swayed by a single word you’ve said. you’re just wasting time – your own and ours. that’s the life of an intellectual child.

        the izzies are finding out that occupation is more than shooting at, and putting out cigarettes on, small children who throw stones. the ex-idf that i know here are afraid to walk down the street in black neighborhoods like the one i live in each and everyday – total cowards. 121 idf filth were killed in lebanon in 2006, let’s hope the number is much higher this time.

      • More great news:

        150 Hamas militants saved their own lives, and the lives of countless civilians by surrendering to IDF forces in Rafah & Khan Younis.

        Egypt chooses to be on the right side of history, and joins Israel’s fight against Hamas. Ma’an news reports that Egyptian forces killed a suicide bomber en route to a border crossing south of Rafah, and destroyed a vehicle loaded with Grad missiles in Sheikh Zuweid. God bless Egypt and President Al-Sissi.

  44. Updated List of Israeli Fallen in Operation Defensive Edge 2014

    Friday, July 18

    Staff Sgt. Eitan Barak, 20, Herzliya, Nahal Brigade
    Saturday, July 19

    Sgt. Bnaya Rubel, 20, Holon, Paratroopers 101st Battalion
    Second Lt. Bar Rahav, 21, Ramat Yishai, Engineering Corps
    Maj. (Res.) Amotz Greenberg, 45, Hod Hasharon
    Sgt. Adar Barsano, 20, Nahariya, Armored Corps
    Sunday, July 20

    Sgt. Max Steinberg, 24, Los Angeles, Golani Brigade. Lone soldier who came to Israel without family to enlist in the IDF; 20,000 people turned out for his funeral Wednesday at Mt. Herzl.
    Staff Sgt. Shachar Tase, 20, Pardesiya, Golani Brigade
    Staff Sgt. Daniel Pomerantz, 20, Kfar Azar, Golani Brigade
    Sgt. Shon Mondshine, 19, Tel Aviv, Golani Brigade
    Sgt. Ben Itzhak Oanounou, 19, Ashdod, Golani Brigade
    Staff Sgt. Oren Simcha Noach, 22, Hoshaya, Golani Brigade
    Maj. Tzafrir Bar-Or, 32, Rehovot, Golani Brigade
    Capt. Zvika Kaplan, 28, Kibbutz Merav, Golani Brigade
    Staff Sgt. Oz Mendelovich, 21, Talmon, Golani Brigade
    Sgt. Nissim Sean Carmeli, 21, Ra’anana, Golani Brigade, lone soldier from Texas, US. His funeral was attended by 30,000 Maccabi Soccer Club fans.
    Sgt. Gilad Yaakobi, 21, Kiryat Ono, Golani Brigade
    Staff Sgt. Moshe Malko, 20, Jerusalem, Golani Brigade
    Monday, July 21

    Lt. Col. Dolev Keider, 38, Modi’in, OC Gefen Battalion of Bahad 1
    Sgt. Nadav Goldmacher, 23, Be’er Sheva, Bahad 1
    Warrant Officer Bayhesain Kasahun, 39, Netivot, Northern Brigade, Gaza Division
    Staff Sgt. Tal Ifrach, 21, Rishon Lezion, Golani Brigade
    Staff Sgt. Yuval Dagan, 22, Kfar Sava, Golani Brigade
    First Lt. Yuval Heiman, 21, Efrat, Bahad 1
    Master Sgt. (res.) Ohad Shemesh, 27, Beit Elazari, Givati Brigade
    Sgt. First Class Oded Ben Sira, 22, Nir Etzion, Nahal Brigade
    Staff Sgt. Jordan Bensemhoun, 22, Ashkelon, Golani Brigade. He was a French citizen and “lone soldier” who came from France to volunteer for this fighting unit of the Israeli army.
    Tuesday, July 22

    First Lt. Natan Cohen, 23, Modi’in, Armored Corps
    Staff Sgt. Avitar Torjaman, 20, Beit Sha’an, Paratroopers
    Capt. Dmitry Levitas, 26, Jerusalem and Kibbutz Geshur, Armored Corps
    Wednesday, July 23

    Lt. Paz Eliahu, 22, Evron
    First Sgt. Shachar Dover, 20, Ginegar
    Lee Matt, 19, Eilat

    • the media accounts say that the filth max steinberg was a huge fanatic of bob marley.

      marley’s religion describes ashkenazi jews as “imposters.”

      once again, we find abramhamics attempting to destroy a culture by subsuming it.

  45. Israeli military reservist killed in action in Gaza Strip

    1st Sgt. Yair Ashkenazi, 36 from Rehovot was killed in action Friday in the northern part of the Gaza Strip. A lawyer, he served in the reserves of Bahad 1.The number of IDF losses in the counter-terror operation in Gaza now stands at 33 with one missing.

  46. Two Israel soldiers killed in Gaza overnight Friday

    The two soldiers were killed in an engagement with terrorists in southern Gaza Strip overnight Friday. One of the deceased was Staff Sgt. Guy Boyland, 21, from Ginosar, a combat engineer. The second name has not been released. Three more soldiers were seriously injured.

    During the day Friday, two IDF NCOs died in action: 1st Sgt. Yair Ashkenazi, 36, from Rehovot, who was killed in the northern part of the Gaza Strip. A lawyer, he served in the reserves of Bahad 1. The second was 1st Sgt. Guy Levi, 21, from Kfar Veradim, of the armored corps.

    Israel has lost 37 officers and men in the Gaza operation, including, including 1st Sgt. Oron Shaul, who was first reported missing and whose death in action was confirmed Friday.

  47. An Israeli soldier killed in action Saturday, two die of their injuries

    The number of Israeli fallen in battle in the first 19 days of the Gaza operation rose to 43 Saturday night with the death of Master Sgt. Barak Rafael Degorker, 27, from Gan Yavneh. He was hit by a cross-border mortar shell after Israel declared a unilateral extension of a ceasefire. Two officers died of their wounds in hospital early Sunday. They are Capt. Liad Lavi, 22, from Sde Nitzan, and Master Sgt. Rami Kachalon, 39, from Hadera, both paratroopers. Although Hamas refused to observe the added four hours to the 12-hour ceasefire of Saturday and continued shooting rockets and mortars at the Israeli population, Israel unilaterally approved an additional 24-hour pause for Sunday up until midnight.

    • Their attempt at pr does not impress me. Their overall agenda is the same as it ever was: Eretz Israel, and theyw ill not stop utlimately until it is achieved. Furthermore, Israel has NOT stopped either, they continue looking for tunnels and destroying them and anyone in the vicinity. Furtherfurthermore I have never been convinced that Hamas was not in league with Israel to this day.
      Update, Israel returned to shelling Gaza ahead of the purported extension.

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