Ukraine and the rebels argue over wreck; Europeans give Putin last chance


Ukraine accused Russia and pro-Moscow rebels on Saturday of destroying evidence to cover up their guilt in the shooting down of a Malaysian airliner that has accelerated a showdown between the Kremlin and Western powers.

As militants kept international monitors away from wreckage and scores of bodies festered for a third day, Russian President Vladimir Putin urged the rebels to cooperate and insisted that a U.N.-mandated investigation must not leap to conclusions. Moscow denies involvement and has pointed a finger at Kiev’s military.

The Dutch government, whose citizens made up most of the 298 aboard MH17 from Amsterdam, said it was “furious” at the manhandling of corpses strewn for miles over open country and asked Ukraine’s president for help to bring “our people” home.

After U.S. President Barack Obama said the loss of the Kuala Lumpur-bound flight showed it was time to end the conflict,Germany called it Moscow’s last chance to cooperate.

European powers seemed to swing behind Washington’s belief Russia’s separatist allies were to blame. That might speed new trade sanctions on Moscow, without waiting for definitive proof.

“He has one last chance to show he means to help,” Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte said after a telephone call to Putin.

Britain, which lost 10 citizens, said further sanctions were available for use against Russia. “If Russia is the principal culprit, we can take further action against them and make it clear this kind of sponsored war is completely unacceptable,” Defence Minister Michael Fallon told the Mail on Sunday.

Prime Minister David Cameron, writing in The Sunday Times, said European countries should make their power count in dealing with the Ukraine crisis, “yet we sometimes behave as if we need Russia more than Russia needs us.”

German Chancellor Angela Merkel, the most powerful figure in the EU, spoke to Putin on Saturday, urging his cooperation. Merkel’s foreign minister, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, told Bild am Sonntag newspaper: “Moscow may have a last chance now to show that it really is seriously interested in a solution.”

“Now is the moment for everyone to stop and think to themselves what might happen if we don’t stop the escalation.”

Germany, reliant like other EU states on Russian energy and more engaged in Russian trade than the United States, has been reluctant to escalate a confrontation with Moscow that has revived memories of the Cold War. But with military action not seen as an option, economic leverage is a vital instrument.

Western countries have demanded that Russia put pressure on Ukrainian rebels to allow unhindered access to the site of Thursday’s Malaysia Airlines crash.

Dutch PM Mark Rutte said he had told Russian President Vladimir Putin that time was “running out” to show he could help. Most crash victims were Dutch.

The US and Britain also told Russia full access to the area was needed.

International observers have had their movements restricted by pro-Russia militiamen who control the crash site.

Both Ukraine and the pro-Russian rebels have accused each other of shooting down the Boeing 777, which was flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.

Flight MH17 was reportedly hit by a missile over a rebel-held area in Donetsk region on Thursday. All 298 people on board died.


the front page of my paper has already decided it was russia and putin who did it..incredible detective work they have completed in 48 hours..sherlock holmes would be proud..who benefits from this crash?


~ by seeker401 on July 20, 2014.

8 Responses to “Ukraine and the rebels argue over wreck; Europeans give Putin last chance”


    Khazanah Bank – owner of Malaysia Airline Systems – interlocked with Ukraine flesh peddlers and international crime.

    Been saying it since it happened, some people have picked it up, most are happy to waste time on the usual silly CIA / KGB / no planes theory type bullshit unfortunately

    • excellent synopsis mate..

      “In a case of Lee Harvey Oswald type instant info, and the attributed sources all being “intelligence”, it was immediately announced that a Buk missile did the job, that it was fired by Russian-backed rebels against the Ukraine government and that the man who did it is codename Strelkov or “Shooter”.

      Too cute by half.”

      heres a couple of “out there” thoughts..

      is MH370 connected to MH17..same plane?

      remember the MA plane the israelis bought that was identical to MH370..did that become MH17?

      who will scoop up MA as a going concern?

      • MAS won’t be a going concern- too crowded a market. The valuable assets are all on the ground- major hub airport (goes to China / Rothschilds) minor hub airports (anybody), some planes- cancelled leases for most of them.

        Getting rid of the employment base and the delinquent balance sheet items boosts the bank but it more importantly now hides the embezzlement of 350-380 million as well as the odd proliferation of MAS livery planes in Tel Aviv (MH370 doppelganger) and Denver (MH17 doppelganger).

        Longer term, once MAS flails and dies, there is the perfect pretext for its jets to show up after the fire sale in Middle Eastern terrorists ie intel agency hands.

        This is engineered chaos. Count on it.

      • This is demonstrating how even the researchers still fall for the false red-blue dichotomy- turning from lapdog media to alternative media, the alternative media itself is still another kind of lapdog media, promoting silly CIA/KGB type stuff.

        Ukraine is notoriously a failed state, has been for decades. It is as much of a crime-ocracy as Nicaragua, Argentina, Nigeria, Romania or Somalia. Thus any discussion of “international responses” and “government response” is a nonsense ab initio.

  2. There is also Strelkov saying that the bodies were old: so if those are not the actual MH17 passengers, just where are they? As with MH370 we have the disappearance of a huge percentage of a small field of scientists, Freescale and now the AIDs workers. No reason only one group has to benefit.

  3. “…the front page of my paper has already decided it was russia and putin who did it..incredible detective work they have completed in 48 hours..sherlock holmes would be proud..who benefits from this crash?…”
    & they have also already decided it was a missile and not a bomb. Cryptogon had the Utopia synchronicity, and in Utopia it was a bomb as well:
    “Utopia is probably the best show I’ve ever seen on TV. The first two episodes from series 2 were recently broadcast in Britain.

    Most people outside of Britain won’t have ever heard of Utopia, so I’ll just write a couple of sentences about it in case you need some context. Utopia is a show about the granddaddy of all “conspiracy theories”: A forced reduction in the population of planet earth. This is accomplished by Janus, a bioweapon that sterilizes most people and is delivered as a vaccine during a bogus flu pandemic.

    No, it’s not a documentary. *wink*

    So I’m leaning back in my chair, enjoying the Series 2 opener, drinking some tea, eating an apple and…

    I’ll just type out some dialog from Series 2 Episode 1…”

    • Yeah included that picture in images. The fact they attempted to steer everyone to Buk missiles within hours is a fair reason to NOT believe that! They can’t have known at that stage.

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