Flat Earth psy op is the real conspiracy

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http://henrymakow.com/2016/02/Flat-Earth-Psyop.html
The Flat Earth fad is a “conspiracy theory” designed to distract, divide and discredit those who understand modern society has been enslaved by the Judeo Masonic (Satanic) conspiracy. It  creates cognitive dissonance, and make us question all our assumptions, especially those which are True.

“This flat earth stuff is to mess with your mind.” 

According to some,  the earth is in fact a flat disc and not a globe. This meme took off after Obama equated climate change deniers to members of the “Flat Earth Society.” Within 12 months, YouTube was flooded with a mass of videos.

The assumptions of this Meme are:
1. The Earth is a Flat Disc.
2. Our globe-shaped world orbiting the sun is a myth.
3. The sun and moon are spherical, but much smaller than mainstream science states, and they rotate around a plane of the Earth, because they appear to do so.
4. Arctic Circle in the centre and Antarctica is a continent forming an ice rim of 150-foot-tall wall of ice, NASA and the military guard this wall to stop you climbing over it and falling off the end of the Earth.
5. Gravity is an illusion. When driving, it is not gravity that pins you to the road, but the rapid upward motion of a disc-shaped planet.
6. Space exploration and the moon landings are all faked.
7. The Sun is not 93 million miles away but is much smaller and only 4,000 miles above the Earth.
8. Horizon is always at eye level.  (See also- Ten Absurd Claims  of Flat Earth Conspiracy Theorists)

They fail to address:

1. What lies underneath the Earth and how the disc sits or what holds it up. [The earth sits on the back of giant tortoise- Makow]
2. Cannot explain orbiting satellites or GPS. They rationalize that Satellites are a hoax and GPS only exists due to a network of radio transmitters.
3. How does the Sun circle the Earth for night and day. They say Sun travels via zero space and instantaneously appears on the other side of the disc. When facts and science contradict, they make up nonsensical explanations. First, gravity does not exist and then it does exist to bend the sun’s rays. This is when they are explaining why you can’t view the other end of the Earth. To debunk a globe model; they have yet to produce is a photo of edge of the flat earth.

Conspiracy theorist Eric Dubay launched the International Flat Earth Research Society (IFERS) claiming all others were “controlled opposition”. Dubay stands out for a documentary claiming Adolf was a peaceful, honourable individual unfairly tarnished by the Zionist media.

Flat Earthism is like a new religion with its dogmas  and many schisms. Three websites vying for flat earth supremacy differ from the trivial (who had the idea first) to the argumentative (Are the Jews to blame for suppressing flat-Earth truths?). Everybody is trying the define it; there is no unified theory.

Flat earther, Daniel Shenton states, “There is no unified flat Earth model but the most commonly accepted one is that it’s more or less a disc, with a ring of something to hold in the water. The height and substance of that, no one is absolutely sure, but most people think it’s mountains with snow and ice.”
 
This is a “PsyOp” which requires large funding from intelligence agencies and governments and corporations. It has become a tool of reverse psychology e.g. if you are broad minded enough to know 911 was a false flag; and now just accept Flat Earth theories. When you engage with this Psyop, a paid shill replies from their “Flat Earth Manual” like some cyborg, there is a mass of paid bloggers on CIA pay roll to push this.

The meme is the ideal project for mind-control that could be devised by Tavistock institute & CIA. It is amazing how many clever, well-meaning and spiritually oriented individuals have been suckered in by this transparent pseudo-scientific sham.

The psy op is designed to create cognitive dissonance. You’ve been lied to your whole life to believe in the Globe model.

What is the underlying agenda? Lumping Christians and Truthers in a divide and rule strategy; some will fall for this trick while others won’t be easily deceived by this nonsense. This flat earth stuff is to mess with your mind.

Flat Earthers exchange one set of lies for another. My advice is to eschew cognitive dissonance and reside in truth.

About 1 year ago, conspiracy youtubers started getting flooded with flat earth video recommendations even though they had previously never watched a flat earth video in their life. Cass Sunstein, left, chief Obama administration propagandist describes this technique in his book“Nudge.” The technique is to target groups whose opinion they want to shape and gently nudge in the certain directions with several techniques. These include infiltrators and internet forums or comments sections of articles as well as using connections with websites such as youtube to give people recommendations based on their data to push them where they need to go.

Up until now on youtube, this has been most notably used for pushing the reptillian story as well as other bizarre new age conspiracy angles to make people discredit themselves when talking about truth as well getting lost in labyrinths of insanity. It has also been used for other topics such as global warming, zionism, and alternative health (which Sunstein specifically mentions in his book). It is important that the nudging is gentle and incremental.

I have come across many people who just one year ago were speaking serious truths. Now all they want to talk about is the flat earth, something of no consequence compared to the murder of almost all of humanity.

These people have been NEUTRALIZED.

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makow is correct on this point..i dont agree with some things he writes about or believes but he has hit the nail on the head here..

this isnt really about debating the for or against..its about what its doing to the critical thinking community..

“I have come across many people who just one year ago were speaking serious truths. Now all they want to talk about is the flat earth, something of no consequence compared to the murder of almost all of humanity.”

they are dividing..and they are making many, many people look like absolute fools..and the problem is the whole truth seeking population will get branded with this..

“The psy op is designed to create cognitive dissonance. You’ve been lied to your whole life to believe in the Globe model. What is the underlying agenda? Lumping Christians and Truthers in a divide and rule strategy; some will fall for this trick while others won’t be easily deceived by this nonsense. This flat earth stuff is to mess with your mind.”

we probably all know one of these by now:

“It is amazing how many clever, well-meaning and spiritually oriented individuals have been suckered in by this transparent pseudo-scientific sham.”

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~ by seeker401 on February 10, 2016.

90 Responses to “Flat Earth psy op is the real conspiracy”

  1. yes – finally a dedicated post on the FE theorists…lol
    FE has morphed into the Concave Earth theory of late as too many holes have appeared. CE is slightly more sophisticated.

    I must say – after 6 months of trying to win a bet for a free trip to Santiago – there had been zero Flatties who would put money where their mouth is.. zip.
    Therefore, I conclude flatties are not so dumb afterall.

    FE – the most mind boggling (for me anyway) proposition since they invented the www – besides planetX.

    • some really intelligent and switched on people have been fooled..quite amazing..

      • Do you mean those that cannot see the total absurdity of this proposition: “1. What lies underneath the Earth and how the disc sits or what holds it up. [The earth sits on the back of giant tortoise- Makow]”?
        Try change it slightly: 1. What lies underneath a planet and how the sphere sits or what holds it up…🙂
        In my totally insignificant opinion, Makow is not a truth cornerstone nor brings he some real answer to compelling questions. For example, I didn’t find a single post on his website where he takes a clear position regarding 9/11. Everywhere is a “he said this…”, “she said that…”, “someone thinks that…”. He has every right in doing it, but please save us another dose of cognitive dissonance…I draw a veil over his scientific incompetence about gravity and his fabrication of suppositories claims of “flatearthers”.To question heliocentrism and academic explanation of the reality does not mean to believe in flat/concave earth: for me, it means just to search where “the truth lies”…🙂

        • Let’s get the standard response to FE assholes out of the way: fuck you.

          “What lies underneath a planet and how the sphere sits or what holds it up…”

          It’s outer space. There is no “underneath.” If you think there is an “underneath” and the Earth is “h[e]ld up” then you are implying gravity points “down” towards “underneath.” If that were true, people on the southern hemisphere would fall off the Earth.

          “Makow is not a truth cornerstone…”

          Definitely not. He just happens to be right this time, on this topic.

          “I didn’t find a single post on his website where he takes a clear position regarding 9/11.”

          Look harder. Makow pushes “no planes” nonsense when it comes to 9/11. It’s very easy to find.

          “where “the truth lies”… ”

          not with FE scum. not with cass sunstein’s nudging minions.

          “incompetence about gravity”

          Gravity is quite real. If you don’t think so, let’s see your science. I won’t hold my breath.

          • Poor man…
            – it’s your friend Makow, not me, that says flat-earthers fail to address… what lies underneath the “disc”. look harder…
            – well, it seems that regarding gravity I’m not the only asshole on this “planet”, or at least it’s not so clear for us as it is for you (I don’t even make the effort to link you to edge researches. you would not understand…):
            http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/141058/does-gravity-really-exist
            http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2012/11/gravity-doesnt-exist-is-gravity-an-illusion.html

            look harder…

            en-passant: not you, nor Makow, nor any of the stupid people that opens the mouth before connecting the brain, did provide explanation for the fe claims… not a single one.

            imbecille… non so nemmeno perchè perdo tempo a rispondere ad un cretino…

            • the first link you provide says gravity exists. the second link is from string theory site. string theory is mostly linked with anthropic nonsense now. my boss has a phd in physics and his thesis was on string theory. it’s silly enough that we don’t have to make fun of him, he makes fun of himself.

              “not you, nor Makow, nor any of the stupid people that opens the mouth before connecting the brain, did provide explanation for the fe claims… not a single one.”

              i have debunked several of the FE scum’s claims. make one, i will debunk it.

              pasta brain…. è perché sei arrabbiato. e si è arrabbiato perché è facile dimostrare che si sono sbagliati.

    • check the comments joel, might be a good place to issue your challenge lol…. http://aplanetruth.info/2016/01/25/why-no-shipping-lanes-in-the-south-pacific-oceans/

    • Really?!

      First agent Zen gardener now it is being spread here ?!
      Agent Makow is very convincing… a teaspoon of sugar….

  2. sofia smallstorm aka sofia shafquat is an example of how heinous these FE scum are.

    years ago she put out the documentary ‘9/11 Mysteries: Demolitions’ and connected herself to the nonsense ‘dustification’ crowd.she got sued for adding explosion sounds to WTC collapse videos (muddying the waters) then she disappeared for a number of years (interesting). then she popped up again with “Sandy Hook in 2, 3, 4, and 5 Dimensions” and “Unraveling Sandy Hook” which had some good info mixed in with some debunked items.

    now she’s back as FE filth.

    said it before will say it again. there are only two explanations for what the FE scum are doing: stupidity or maliciousness – and it can’t be both.

  3. I don’t know, I think the bigger conspiracy is that Cass Sunstein is a legal scholar of Constitutional Law. About as crazy as Barack Obama being a teacher of Constitutional Law.

    Why is it so many of these people like Cass all ended up in one way or another at the University of Chicago? Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dorhn, ex-terrorists, both involved with the educational programming of kids, Barack Obama, Michelle Obama, Valerie Jarrett, David Axelrod…..all claim to be anarchists or change agents for the people in one way or another, but all working hand in hand with those who want to rule the world and control the proletariat. It’s said that Marx is a common idol in the progressive left – communist, zionist led University of Chicago.

    These are the people using Leninist tactics – the same people we’re supposed to ‘respect’ as leaders in the ‘homeland’….what a joke, they should be tried for treason.

    • “An initial pledge of $600,000 (roughly $16 million in today’s currency) from oil magnate John D. Rockefeller, along with contributions by the American Baptist Education Society, helped to found the University. The University’s land was donated by Marshall Field, owner of the historic Chicago department store that bore his name.”

      http://www.uchicago.edu/about/history/

      • in sum, faculty, researchers, and alumni of the University of Chicago have earned nearly 90 Nobel Prizes and nearly 50 MacArthur “genius grants,” along with numerous national medals and fellowships.

    • Didn’t realise so many were connected there. Hmm..

  4. No doubt Rockefeller’s helped fund it and Field indeed donated the land.Field was a very active member of The Commercial Club of Chicago and the Jekyll Island Club aka The Millionaires Club on Jekyll Island, Georgia. The University was founded in 1890.

    Chicago was the birthplace of US communism — the party was founded there in 1919, not during the Depression as many like to say.

    In the 50’s the university’s enrollment was down, the area was changing and so did the agenda, it took up the problems of urban Chicago and the working class. Chicago’s advantage in communist terms, was that the industrial South Side with its large working class white, black, and Latino populations was bordered by the more affluent Hyde Park area, and the thoroughly communist infiltrated University of Chicago.
    The Marxist academics of the UC had half a city of proletarians on their doorstep to experiment with and practice on.

    Red Chicago
    American Communism at Its Grassroots, 1928-35
    http://www.press.uillinois.edu/books/catalog/82fzz7xg9780252032066.html

    Full text of “Communist activities in the Chicago, Illinois area. : Hearings before the Committee on Un-American Activities, House of Representatives, Eighty-ninth Congress, first session”
    https://archive.org/stream/communistactivit651unit/communistactivit651unit_djvu.txt

    Miss Holmes stated that the Communist Party was hypocritical with
    respect to the success of the civil rights movement :

    “They are not concerned with the success of the civil rights
    movement. They wish oppression and depression of the
    Negro people to continue so they can have something to drive
    on, to work on. The Communist Party cannot be successful
    without oppression and depression.

    In addition. Miss Holmes testified to the fact that for security rea-
    sons the Communist Party formed professional groups composed of
    doctors, lawyers, teachers, preachers, and public officials. These
    groups were contacted directly by top State or national officers of the
    Communist Party, because they had no communication on the club
    or se-ction level. She knew of their existence, but, even in her position
    as a State board member and a State committee member of the Com-
    munist Party, she had very little access to any professional groups. ”

    In response to a question by counsel concerning what the Communist
    Party in the United States is trying to do, Mr. Armstrong stated that :

    “The Communist Party is trying to fulfill an objective aim
    of basic communism and that is world domination, and to me
    a godless concept of humanity.”

    “Concerning Communist Party security programs respecting
    professional members of its organizations, such as doctors and lawyers
    and those persons who had penetrated Government to any degree,
    Mr. Armstrong stated that — under the normal physical conditions for the party to organize and work, my latest understanding of the party orga-
    nization and procedure was that they always give the professional people privilege to meet by themselves, because the
    type of discussion and party interest would be entirely dif-
    ferent from the general norm of the party. ”

    “These professional people had a club for the professional
    people such as doctors and lawyers and, you know, teachers
    and other people. This was during the party work.

    For many years the party turned loose many professional
    people, and they disassociated themselves from contact with
    the party organization. They were not required to attend
    meetings or to say, you know, I got to go to this Communist
    thing or that. They were turned loose to work alone on
    their own. ”

    Today, the entire state is a cesspool of corruption, doesn’t matter if they claim to be Republican or Democrat – Liberal or RIght – high profile reverends, archbishops / priests or rabbis, they are all in it together, one big party. The highest ranking politicians are products of the Jesuit Georgetown University and the movers and shakers all have ties to the University of Chicago.

  5. The flat earth balderdash is certainly a psyop to lump genuine truthers in with flat earth nutjobs . Eg if you realise that man never went to the moon then you are a flat earther , 9/11 unbeliever ? then youi are a flat earther etc.
    If you are a geocentrist then you agree with many astronomers and even
    Hubble Hoyle and Einstein agreed that due to relativity we cant tell whether or not the earth is still and that the universe moves around it in a matrix.
    The equations for geocentrism work – so a belief in geo is rational .

    However heliocentrism was chosen to keep the Divine foot from entering
    as Hubble inferred.

    The gravitational effects of the universe circling the earth are the same
    as the earth spinning in a still universe – hence why satellites stay up even if they are allegedly stationary at 35790 meters – the balancing height

    But if you talk geo at all you will be branded a flat earther even though there is plenty of evidence that the earth is not moving.

    Creationists will also be branded flat earthers – so by this tarring with the same brush belief in the Bible will be undermined.

    Even if someone is antivaccine they will be flat earthers

    • “If you are a geocentrist then you agree with many astronomers and even
      Hubble Hoyle and Einstein agreed that due to relativity we cant tell whether or not the earth is still”

      uhm, not quite. i doubt that you would find any serious astronomers who call themselves geocentrists. all they are saying is that relativity determines your *observation* of movement – so the sun *appears* to rise and set in the sky of a motionless Earth, while in reality the Earth is rotating and revolving around the Sun. Observations of other orbital systems confirms this idea – the Moon going around the Earth, the moons of Jupiter going around Jupiter, other solar systems, and even entire rotating galaxies.

      “The gravitational effects of the universe circling the earth … hence why satellites stay up even if they are allegedly stationary at 35790 meters – the balancing height”

      you’re saying ‘gravitational effects of the universe’ are what hold geostationary satellite in place? sorry, no. those gravitational forces are far too weak to have that effect.

      “belief in the Bible”

      the bible being a very primitive text, the FE filth have found a mountain of “evidence” within it.

      • You are saying I give the evidence – but as I said it was Hubble Hoyle and Einstein and other astronomers who say there is no way of proving helio or ggeo.

        Google ” the earth is not moving Galileo was wrong ” – there are plenty of sources of evidence for geocentrism .

        There is an animation which shows both systems regarding the planets and they both fit with the facts .

        The moon does go round the earth so this is not geocentrism and Jupiter does have moons which circle it but this does not prove heliocentrism either

        It is also misleading to think that all the astronomers up to Galileo were incompetent .

        There is no evidence that the earth is spinning or moving – the michelson and morley experiment has been repeated many times and did not prove that the earth is moving

        The Bible never says the earth is flat – the bible says the earth is still and hangs upon nothing . The psalms say the earth is a sphere.

        Nor did the ancients believe the earth was flat since it is obviously a sphere like the stars and planets.

        • “as I said it was Hubble Hoyle and Einstein and other astronomers who say there is no way of proving helio or ggeo.”

          links please. you won’t be able to provide me with anything from any of those three people where they say ‘the sun goes around the earth and not the other way around.’ hoyle invoked relativity to make the point that the universe could be considered to move around *any* point, not just earth.

          because of relativity, i could just as easily say the universe is xxx-centric. i don’t walk to work, the earth moves under my feet. the sun rises and sets relative to me, wherever i am on earth. that is the point various sientists are making. none of the ones you listed, nor any serious astronomer, is out there saying the sun revolves around the earth.

          “It is also misleading to think that all the astronomers up to Galileo were incompetent .”

          stupid eurocentrism. there were astronomers thousands of years before galileo who understood that the earth went around the sun and not the other way around. he did not discover that notion, that’s merely a western narrative.

          “There is no evidence that the earth is spinning or moving – the michelson and morley experiment has been repeated many times and did not prove that the earth is moving”

          this is utter bullshit. the m&m experiment is based on the idea that there’s a aether in the universe through which light travels. there is not such aether, space is a vaccum. the experiment has nothing to do with whether or not the earth is moving.

          “The Bible…”

          honestly, trying to talk about science and your stupid fucking bible at the same time is ridiculous. it’s just a bunch of old man lies and old man stories about butt fucking and genocide and some chick lying about getting knocked up and having a son who was insane that people started a religion over so they could murder everyone they met unless they converted to worshipping his zombie ghost and his evil fucking father. it doesn’t belong in a discussion about science.

          • You are still mixing things which the scientific evidence says are NOT happening with things which we dont know are happening or not. Eg we know that we are walking on the earth from our own power – it is not some illusion of relativity.

            But because both systems of Geo and Helio work and the equations work on both – eg geo equations are still used today.

            Where is your evidence that there is no ether ? How do you know .

            If space is a nothing what is light moving relative to ? IE what is its speed of 186000 mps relative to . Just because you cant see an ether does not mean its not there.

            Since you defy any belief in a creator God you obviously are only left with
            the crazy theory of evolution which is utterly unscientific and has absolutely no evidence whatsoever . I mean to believe that matter created itself in defiance of the 1st law of thermodynamics and that a muddy pool gave rise to the first cell and a billion or two DNA code and millions of biological mechanisms is fantasy of the highest order.

            That this first cell then evolved by magically dividing into two under its own design power (an incredible event if you have seen it) is a belief in miracles far beyond biblical miracles under God’s direction .

            Then the cells became fish , and then the fish walked lol , and then the became land animals and some went back to sea as whales ??

            Where is the evidence of this – there should be trillions of intermediates and the high priests of evolution have found none – living or dead.

            Evolution is just made up stories by “old bearded men ” like Darwin.

            • i see. no links. so, just as i suspected, you’re full of it.

              i said nothing about evolution or darwin.

              “Since you defy any belief in a creator God you obviously are only left with the crazy theory of evolutiom”

              no, one does not imply the other. darwin was pushed because his theories enabled racial and royal supremacy movements to point to a ‘scientist’ that backed their claims. believing, or not believing, in his work has nothing to do with a belief in the evil one (“god”).

              “Where is your evidence that there is no ether ?”

              uhm, it’s you who brought up the m&m experiement. why don’t you read about it. the whole historical point of the experiment was that it proved there was no aether ffs.

              “IE what is its speed of 186000 mps relative to”

              relative to an observer. that’s how relativity works.

              i suspect you prefer the ridiculous geocentric narrative because it fits in with your worship of the evil god of abraham. that’s not science.

              • How childish – ” you see no links ” so geocentrism must be false – this debate is over 500 years old and there are 130,000 hits on geocentrism.

                This “links ” is the tactic that trolls use – I will certainly give you links if you cant use the internet to google “geocentrism” and study both sides of the
                theories

                You know fine there is either a creator God who made everyone or as you willfully misbelieve , there is no God and everything just made itself .

                There is no alternative – no inbetween to hide in.

                So give me one evidence of your evolutionary chance God .

                Now you obviously hate this non existent God – you hate something that you dont believe exists – would you seek treatment for this.

                Now if there is a God – and he is who He says He is then only a fool would
                shake his fists at Him.

                The M and M experiment was not a fail – it looked like a fail since everyone believed that the earth moved and also believed that there must be an ether reference point. So its “fail” actually proved that the earth was not moving but this was totally unacceptable to the high priests who would have to accept the bible was right – intolerable to atheist scientists .

                So Einstein was commissioned to pull the wool over everyone’s eyes by
                stating there was no ether. And this he could easily do since he was good at making up any theory to suit his one world masters at any given time.
                Any skills he had were mainly plagiarised and that from his wife as well.

                I have a feeling you attack any theory that strengthens bible truth – not because you have evidence.

                “A new theory about the origin of the universe seems to give us back the ether sorely missed by we old timers

                http://phys.org/news/2015-02-big-quantum-equation-universe.html?utm_source=nwletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=splt-item&utm_campaign=daily-nwletter
                « Last Edit: 12/02/2015 11:03:30 by chris » “

              • HUBBLE and EINSTEIN on GEOCENTRISM
                ICR :-

                “Einstein’s theory of general relativity adds further to the debate. It asserts that it is impossible for a human observer to determine whether any material body is in a state of absolute rest (i.e., immobile in space). It claims that only motion of two material bodies relative to one another can be physically detected. According to this theory the geocentric and heliocentric viewpoints are equally valid representations of reality, and it makes no sense whatsoever scientifically to speak of one as being true and the other false. This shift in emphasis from an either-or argument to a synthesis and acceptance of both viewpoints is summed up by the well-known astronomer, Fred Hoyle, as follows:

                The relation of the two pictures [geocentricity and heliocentricity] is reduced to a mere coordinate transformation and it is the main tenet of the Einstein theory that any two ways of looking at the world which are related to each other by a coordinate transformation are entirely equivalent from a physical point of view…. Today we cannot say that the Copernican theory is ‘right’ and the Ptolemaic theory ‘wrong’ in any meaningful physical sense.[1]
                Relativity is the theory which is accepted as the correct one by the great majority of scientists at present. However, many science teachers and textbooks are not aware of this, and it is not uncommon to find heliocentricity taught as the progressive and “obviously true” theory even today.”

              • EINSTEIN SAYS THERE MUST BE AN ETHER
                So if there is then the Michelson Morley experiment proved that the earth was not moving ie is geocentric and the Bible is correct .

                “Einstein conclusion about the existence of Ether after he developed the General relativity – a fact missing in the scholar Physics textbooks

                In 1920 Albert Einstein stated [1]:

                page 16: But on the other hand there is a weighty argument to be adducted in favor of the ether hypothesis. To deny the ether is ultimately to assume that empty space has no physical quality whatever. The fundamental facts of (quantum) mechanics do not harmonize with this view.

                page 23: Recapitulating, we may say that according to the general theory of relativity space is endowed with physical qualities; in this sense, therefore, there exists an ether. According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable; for in such space there not only would be no propagation of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space and time (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time intervals in the physical sense.”

                http://www.helical-structures.org/einstein_about_ether.htm

                • thanks, charles, very interesting.
                  so why nobody talks about Einstein and the existence of the ether then?

                  • The high priests of the star gazers decided that if there was an ether the
                    Michelson and Morley failure to prove that the earth was moving through it would mean that the earth was still and geocentrism would be true so they
                    decided not to talk about an ether – in true scientific fashion .

                    I think the elites know that geocentrism is proven and this would make a mockery of 400 + years of cosmology.
                    So along comes the flat earth theory which cunningly uses a lot of geocentric proofs mixed in with lunatic science – very clever.

                    Google Henry Makow on his latest article on flat earth illuminati

    • thanks mate..i dont see them as nut jobs though..i think they have been fooled by master tacticians..

      • Could be true since I have seen truthers swallowing FE on a few sites – then eventually they stop posting on the topic when corrected.

    • is this image a joke? (ignore the “are we alone” phrase)

      if not, how could “geocentrism” be correct?

      • looks like its been stretched..would need to see the absolute original..luckily we have a site that searches🙂

        https://www.tineye.com/search/4894847aed5fdc1e04397b3b495b116396478a74/

        looks like all of them have the oval earth..

      • Geocentrism is acceptable mathematically but it does not go by size .
        Recently I read about a much larger star circling a smaller one.

        What they have told us about the universe makes it seem gigantic beyond our comprehension – 12 billion light years across etc etc but there is no way this can be accurately checked by trigonometry but only by hypothesis upon hypothesis eg like the Hubble red shift which has been called into question.
        All cosmology theory is about keeping any thought of creation out of the picture and making us look like a chance evolutionary accident – make us small , unimportant – if the cosmos is all there is then “lets eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we shall all be dead”
        So sin all you want , no one’s watching .

        Lee Strobel has some great youtube videos on cosmology where he asks leading astronomers questions about eg the universal constant and such like – the graphics are excellent .
        Lee was a lawyer , jewish and was attempting to convince his wife there was no God and that the bible was joined up fables but he became a christian
        himself after examining the evidence as a lawyer would .

        So i am a geocentrist and believe the whole universe including the sun and the other planets revolves around the earth – the universe being much less distant than the the high priests say.

        However the geocentric model is not disputed mathematically if you read through the arguments in ” Galileo was wrong the church was right”

        The NWO in no way would allow geocentrism to creep back in so this is why
        the elites have brought out the FE theory and mixed it with genuine Geocentric theory .

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  7. Maybe the Roman Catholic Church has run out of heretics and they’re the ones starting these rumors? 🙂

  8. and what about this?? was Einstein really right? xxx? seek? anyone?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/12/science/ligo-gravitational-waves-black-holes-einstein.html?_r=0

    hmmm….

  9. would love to see some livefeeds (or images) from those high orbit satellites – highest one is the russian Spektr-R at 330,000km (note: earth’s radius = ~6300 km) if anyone an find some – pls post

    I assume these are livefeeds from pretty low-altitude ISS at 400km
    http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-iss-stream

    another useful site
    http://www.satflare.com/home.asp

  10. I skipped through charles’s blather regarding geocentrism – just the same nonsensical point made over and over again. The various scientists make the point that with relativity, gosh, one could even say the universe is geocentric. as i pointed out, by the same notion i could say the universe was xxx-centric, a martian could say the universe was mars-centric, and an andromedean could say the universe was andromeda-centric.

    but there’s a bigger point that, to me at least, is more fascinating. the reason the primitive sky-god believers like geocentrism and the anthropic principle is that it makes them seem special – and special beings must have been made special by a creator.

    to me, there’s three big things that atheists and maltheists (such as myself) can and should learn from christianity and religion in general. They are related but distinct.

    1 – that all are equal in the eyes of the lord.

    2 – that there is mankind and then there is the divine. (i.e. man is not god)

    3 – that true greatness (e.g. jesus) goes with humility.

    of course “christians” rarely practice anything remotely close to what jesus preached. here’s one trying to prove he’s the center of the fucking universe for pete’s sake. “be not like the hypocrites… verily i say, they have their reward.”

    the most amazing, incredible, fascinating, astounding, wild thing ever created – no matter how it was created – is the human consciousness. it wouldn’t matter if it was in the “center” of the universe or if it was orbiting a giant dripping, farting anus – it would *still* be the most amazing, incredible, fascinating, astounding, wild thing ever created.

    just because i see your god as malevolent does not mean i have the answers to the origin or the earth or the universe. unbound by unfounded faith, i am free to say “i actually dont know.” i am free to question, or accept, any scientific proposition on the subject. and i am free to reject the notion of your ugly, evil god – creator of all – including all of the misery in the world. just because i am not a god does not mean i have to bow down to some vengeful butt fucking and genocide obsessed freak.

    • The trouble with XXX’s “blather” is she calls geocentrism “charles ” blather when she is actually saying it is Hubble Hoyle and Einstein’s blather and
      may other astronomers today if she would take the trouble to look.
      So she is the top astronomer now ?

      It cant be God who made it this of course since xxx does not think He exists
      – since you and I know nothing about mathematical astronomy why take this ignorant bigoted stance against God (who does not exist you say) and against Christians . I can tell you there are millions and millions of evil atheists but that does not mean they are all evil. The same goes for Christianity .

      You come out with every old cliched chestnut against the notion of a God
      – its all been said before throughout history

      • repeat: I skipped through charles’s blather regarding geocentrism – just the same nonsensical point made over and over again. The various scientists make the point that with relativity, gosh, one could even say the universe is geocentric. as i pointed out, by the same notion i could say the universe was xxx-centric, a martian could say the universe was mars-centric, and an andromedean could say the universe was andromeda-centric.

        none of the scientists you mention believed the universe was geocentric, they were merely talking about relativity. it’s your huge, and very un-christian, ego that drives you to see the universe as you-centered. and putting you at the center of the universe isn’t what your jesus was talking about – at all.

        atheists comprise a minority on the planet of 2%-13%. there has never been an atheist-run country (the soviet union was a jewish/talmudic enterprise). in your view they are evil. of course in your view they were created by god – so your god creates evil. it’s very simple to understand. furthermore, atheists are free to belong to to the full range of ideologies and practices, but christians are just christians – going on and on with their endless unchristian wars, their unchristian hate, their unchristian torture – and of course their unchristian pursuit of universal supremacy, seeking their place at the center of the universe.

        • “none of the scientists you mention believed the universe was geocentric, they were merely talking about relativity. it’s your huge, and very un-christian, ego that drives you to see the universe as you-centered. and putting you at the center of the universe isn’t what your jesus was talking about – at all.”

          They DID believe the universe COULD be geocentric or they would not have said it. Its like you are saying I have discovered an equation which says x = 2y + 1 – then saying but I did not really mean this is correct ???

          Have you even given the geocentric theory an hour of your time ?

          You are totally wrong I became a christian BEFORE I even thought of geocentrism – about 20 years before – your ego is so big you put words in people’s mouths with such certainty. It was just an article I had read that gave me an interest.

          The soviet union was run by diehard atheists who were 100% evolutionary
          and they killed around 80 million in the most vicious manner – especially Christians.
          Same in China with over 100 million tortured and killed. You need to read some history.
          The demonic rulers of the Aztecs sacrificed thousands of innocent humans in bloodthirsty ceremonies which went on for weeks at a time .

          The God of Abraham creates humans and gives them freewill – so these evil humans have chosen evil since God gave the angels and humans the
          free will to do good or to do evil .

          • “They DID believe the universe COULD be geocentric or they would not have said it.”

            repeat: show me where they said the sun goes around the earth.

            repeat: all they ever said is that relativity allows for geocentricity, the same as it allows for any observer centricity since that’s what relativity says. when you say they were geocentrists, you are lying. that’s normal, expected behavior from evil “christians.”

            “Have you even given the geocentric theory an hour of your time ?”

            this is exactly what the FE filth say. when you do not present a case based on facts and logic, but instead use misrepresentations like “einstein was a geocentrist” then there is no reason to give your blather any consideration. come correct or go home.

            “It was just an article I had read that gave me an interest.”

            indeed, because you are fascinated with the idea the you are the center of the universe. just a huge ego trip that has nothing to do with anything christ talked about.

            “The soviet union was run by diehard atheists…”

            nope. it was run by jews and financed by mostly jewish, but also some christian, bankers. when a jew says they are “atheist” it is the same as when they say anything else – a lie. those jews worship baal and moloch and the other shit they invented when moses was having a bad acid trip on a mountain.

            “Same in China…”

            already covered. mao was a yale man. yale *divinity* school to be exact. marx was european. sun yat sen’s assassin was a cohen. guerrillla training courtesy of the oss.

            “rulers of the Aztecs sacrificed thousands of innocent humans”

            yes indeed, and that’s apropos of what? they believed in a stupid, evil religion, just like you do.

            “The God of Abraham creates humans and gives them freewill – so these evil humans have chosen evil since God gave the angels and humans the free will to do good or to do evil .”

            which is totally consistent with my statement that your filthy, hateful god creates all the evil. decent, innocent people are constantly being murdered, tortured, and raped by the fake god of the jews, the god of the christian and muslim fools – the god that told abraham to kill his own son.

            • Yes xxx and Charles .. I believe in the God who creates evil .. would that ‘christians’ had the character to carry it out.

              I am YAHWEH, and there is none else forming light, and creating darkness; making peace, and creating evil. I, YAHWEH, do all these things. Isaiah 45:7

              Laws of Warfare

              “Thus you shall do to all the cities that are very far from you, which are not of the cities of these nations nearby. “Only in the cities of these peoples that the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, you shall not leave alive anything that breathes. “But you shall utterly destroy them, the Hittite and the Amorite, the Canaanite and the Perizzite, the Hivite and the Jebusite, as the LORD your God has commanded you,… Deuteronomy 20:16

              Let’s substitute some more familiar names ..
              you shall not leave alive anything that breathes. But you shall utterly destroy them, the Rothschild, the Netanyahu, the Bush, the Blankfein, the Dimon ..

              Would that be considered evil ?? or justice delivered by a compassionate God?

              The fact is the imposters .. Rothschild, Netanyahu, Bush, Blankfein and Dimon etc. are bloodline descendants of the Hittite and the Amorite, the Canaanite and the Perizzite, the Hivite and the Jebusite.

              If it were within your power, do you have what it takes to wipe them off the face of the earth and end their reign of terror and slavery .. leaving not one alive? Because the Hebrews failed in this mission and left them alive, they have taken control and do not hesitate to kill, steal and destroy.

            • I still cannot understand why the Old Testament is part of Christianity (being the christians followers of Jesus Christ). It was necessary from political point of view, I suppose, to legitimise the new – for the moment it aroused) movement, the one that predicates The Love as founding principle of all…I don’t really understand why a Christian would need Yahweh, the God of fear who talks about chosen and orders murders…nothing less alike the message of Jesus!…Love!

              • You cannot separate the character of God in the OT from the NT .
                God never changes , He is not fickle . Since He created life He can take it away – especially if you are a Canaanite tribe who burned their children alive to Demons such as Baal and Molech and this is still being done today as abortion.
                Fortunately for us God is kind and forgiving and even blesses the wicked to give them long enough to repent.
                Jesus said He was God thats why the Jews murdered Him.
                God is patient and forgiving especially if we are ignorant of Him .
                If we humble ourselves and admit that we were born in wickedness He will
                come and heal us . (this was me )
                Repentance and then Baptism by water and the Holy spirit are essential for
                the power to change .

              • You will never understand the magnitude of His Love until you understand judgement and mercy and justice.

                The message of the man commonly known as Jesus was ‘Repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand.’ .. Kingdom speaks of rule and authority .. repent implies submission to that authority turning from rebellion against it. His mission was one of mercy for those willing to accept His authority and rule .. for those unwilling judgement.

                If God is truly God then He alone possesses the authority to rule and the power to judge and deliver justice .. then only He possesses mercy.

                And He said, I will cause all My goodness to pass before your face. And I will call out the name of YAHWEH before your face. And I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy. And He said, You are not able to see My face; for no man can see Me and live.

                And YAHWEH passed by before his face and called out: YAHWEH! YAHWEH Elohim! Merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and great in goodness and truth, keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and not leaving entirely unpunished, visiting the iniquity of fathers on sons, and on sons of sons, to the third and to the fourth generation. And Moses hurried and bowed to the earth and worshiped.

                Exodus 33, 34

    • good post..very instructive but with a dash of the usual xxx harshness..this is impresive imo:

      to me, there’s three big things that atheists and maltheists (such as myself) can and should learn from christianity and religion in general. They are related but distinct.

      1 – that all are equal in the eyes of the lord.

      2 – that there is mankind and then there is the divine. (i.e. man is not god)

      3 – that true greatness (e.g. jesus) goes with humility.

    • What has geocentrism to do with ego – there are millions of Christians who are heliocentrists and millions who dont give a hoot – you make your own strawmen .

      Jesus said He was God – God in the flesh – the universe was created through Him. The Pharisees used this testimony to murder the son of God.

      They saw His miracles and believed them but committed the sin against the Holy Spirit that cannot be forgiven – they said the miracles came by the power of satan.

      There are only two options
      1 There is no God and we are an accident of evolution
      2 There is a creator God

      If 1 is the truth then all things created themselves – to believe this means to suspend reason and evidence . Nothing has ever created itself – this is not observed .
      Bill Gates said with all his manufacturing abilities all the computer codes ever created could not hope to achieve the compression of the DNA code
      in one living cell – around 3 billion characters in the DNA string which is 7 feet long in each cell – and you believe this started in a muddy pool .
      The DNA of all the species of the earth would not fill a teaspoon .

      You should study the theory of probability – the chances of something happening – eg on its own and you would have to reject all theories of beginnings other than Genesis

      If 2 is the truth then only a fool would not align themselves with what God wants them to be .

      Jesus said only HE is the truth – there is nothing else – He was not just a good man as the average unbeliever will say – Jesus was the son of the living God and created the universe. This is the truth which sets us free.

      If you let scripture interpret scripture you will read about the Canaanites burning their children alive to Molech – this was in their “seed” . They were given 500 years to change – the Israelites did not carry out God’s instructions and ended doing the same to their children.

      So this is the type of thing that Prof . Dawkins sells his books on and seemingly you believe the same .

      With over 50 million of silent screams in the womb carried out by Atheists
      and this is only America why would any atheists feel free to point the finger at God .

      • “There are only two options
        1 There is no God and we are an accident of evolution
        2 There is a creator God”

        more lies.

        there are infinite options. one is a creator god.

        another is alien seeding.
        another is amino acids from meteors leading to evolution.
        another is psychadelic self-evolution (the idea that ancient humans found mushrooms and molds that helped them invent language and reason).
        another is “this is all a dream.”
        another is this is just one of an infinite number of universes, each with a different permutation of reality.
        another is that this is a simulation being run by super-conscious entities.
        another is devolution. (it started with us, and all the lower animals devolved from us.)
        another is the idea that all life is one entity with various biological expressions.

        as a worshipper of the evil god of abraham, you have no choice but to think the universe was created by him. as a maltheist, i am free to say “i don’t know. i am still searching.”

        • Alien seeding ?? who made the aliens

          Why would amino acids need to come from meteors ?? we have them on earth – the chance of amino acids coming together to form a simple protein
          is ONE to the power of more than all the atoms in the universe – it is an utter impossibility to happen by sheer chance – miller could not even do it with a directed experiment .

          How would a mushroom and mold help language and reason – SOURCE

          You need a mind to dream with – this is reality – who designed your brain .

          Why would lots of universes mean evolution works and who would make the universes ??? do they just design and make themselves

          Who makes the super conscious entities

          Devolution – who made us then ???

          who would make this one entity – even more difficult

          this is pure fantasy not backed by any evidence or logic – pure new age
          B.S.
          The evidence for intelligent design is right in front of your nose – you dont need to imagine that there is something out there far far away .
          The evidence is here on earth in the trillions of things that have obviously been made by a super creator .

          Shirley Maclaine is starting to look rational – you would need more blind faith to believe in any of the above than was ever needed to believe in Jesus .

          There is only two options

          1 A super creator God infinite powers

          2 No god but evolution which is being exposed as the craziest unproven theory ever invented .

          “Nowhere was Darwin able to point to one bona fide case of natural
          selection having actually generated evolutionary change in
          nature….Ultimately, the Darwinian theory of evolution is no more nor
          less than the great cosmogenic myth of the twentieth century.” Michael
          Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crises (Bethesda, Maryland: Adler &
          Adler, 1986) pp. 62, 358.

          “I believe that one day the Darwinian myth will be ranked the greatest
          deceit in the history of science.” Søren Løvtrup, Darwinism: The
          Refutation of a Myth (New York: Croom Helm, 1987), p. 422.

          “Scientists who go about teaching that evolution is a fact of life are great
          con-men, and the story they are telling may be the greatest hoax ever.
          In explaining evolution, we do not have one iota of fact.” Dr. T. N.
          Tahmisian Evolution and the Emperor’s New Clothes by N.J. Mitchell
          (United Kingdom: Roydon Publications, 1983), title page

          • and what about this option? does it need a God Creator?

            http://www.wolindia.com/2012/08/prana-and-akasha-by-swami-vivekananda.html

            • Since all the scientists in the world cannot create even one atom or one living cell to me it is obvious that the Genesis story must be true .

              After the six days matter (energy) cannot be created or destroyed except by God’s intervention – this is the 1st law of thermodynamics and can only be suspended by God – that is by a miracle .

              A miracle is the suspension of the natural laws God created.

              Eg when Philip the evangelist arrived at the Ethiopian eunoch side and taught salvation then disappeared back to where he came from .

          • Very much agree on the Darwinism…they made that hoax up in order to deceit…what are “they” trying to hide? God? Earth’s true history else?

            • To me Darwinism was hiding God – he did not work on his own but was powered by Lyell the mason. His family were anti God but mainly hid it at the time – the Huxleys were another family who were against God . It is pride really the devil’s root sin .
              Darwin actually said he had struck Christianity a mortal blow by not coming at it head on but by subtlety undermining it by allocating the miracle of creation down to blind chances and making the six days of creation look
              childish .

  11. AH you see its all been put into one word – Geocentrism – this means that the earth is stationey and the universe circles the earth – the gravitational and centrifugal forces balance out under heliocentrism and geocentrism – so when an astronomer says this is possible he agrees to the earth being still . But anyone is free to choose either method which will give the same answer thats why geo is still used today . So no one can prove what is happening and it IS due to this ONE thing – relativity which you are obliviously upset about

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