Replacing the UN with the Covenant of Democratic Nations

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/replacing-the-un-with-the-covenant-of-democratic-nations/

For years, foreign policy critics, politicians, and outraged members of the general public have been militating to defund and quit the United Nations. Some have advocated that a rival or successor organization be established. Now, the empty sheet of bitter discontent with the UN has been filled in with a new name, and a new movement calling to “defund and replace” troubled organization with a new world body: The Covenant of Democratic Nations. This writer has been a participating witness to the birth of this movement.

Just days after controversial UN Resolution 2334 declared, among other things, that Israel’s Jewish connection to the Western Wall was effectively illegal, to ambassadorial applause in the room, concrete replacement action began. It has started with a conversation of ideas proposing an official international conference which would carefully propound a multilaterally-signed diplomatic convention that would be ratified by countries as a binding treaty that would juridically forge the Covenant into operational reality. The entire process — fraught with hazy puzzlements over a terrain of “what ifs” — would be limited to nations governed by democratic principles. Each member would or could defund the United Nations while it labored to construct a successor entity dedicated to world peace along democratic principles with equal respect for all people regardless of religion, gender, race, identity, or national origin, as well as formulating a mechanism to resolve disputes.

A prime mission of the new world body would be to re-ratify, amend, or nullify all acts and resolutions of the United Nations and its agencies such as UNESCO. Thus, the Covenant would create a new body of long-overdue, reformed, clarified, and updated international law. Just as unjust American laws perpetrating slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, and institutional inequality were overturned, updated, and reformed during the civil rights era and right through our present decade, so too, the damage, inequity, and misuse of international law and process would be overturned by the CDN. Sensibly, most CDN nations would remain as vestigial members of the UN overseeing its collapse from economic and bureaucratic processes just as was done when the League of Nations was dissolved after World War Two and replaced with the present UN.

Clearly, the history of world bodies, fluttering high-minded banners of peace on earth following wars that scorched the world and scarred all humankind, is not a good one. The League of Nations was born after World War One out of a quest for revenge by the victors, laced with a visionary desire to end colonialism, and empower self-determination among nationally awakened peoples, so long as the whole business conquered the oil fields of the Mideast, lubricating the machinery of the post-Second Industrial Revolution West—and the multinational corporate palms that controlled it. Countries were invented that never existed, carved and chipped off the toppled Turkish and German empires, creating hand-picked kings and sovereigns who could legally sign lucrative petroleum contracts. Backstage, oil companies got the oil. But the flaccid League of Nations — which never included the United States — proved its utter uselessness during the Hitler regime.

After World War Two, the League was replaced by the United Nations. Although enshrined as a democratic enterprise, profoundly undemocratic and scheming governments penetrated by the organization from its inception. Civil war-torn China and a tyrannical and hegemonic Soviet Union, joined the other democratic allies—France, Great Britain, and the United States—to create the Security Council. Expansion, inclusion, and extension eventually enrolled 193 nations, including such egalitarian democracies as North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, Afghanistan, Somalia, and Saudi Arabia. The world body began as a sick organ and deteriorated from there.

Understandably, some suggest that once born, the Covenant may eventually sunset its own existence after its reform work is done.

The Covenant conversation launched in earnest on January 23, 2017 when a panel of like-minded voices assembled in a crowded Gold Room of the Rayburn House congressional office building on Capitol Hill. Representative Trent Franks (R-AZ,) who currently supports a bill to defund the UN, opened the Covenant Launch proceedings by declaring, “This is a critically important issue. The United Nations started out with a noble charter … but the United Nations has not only failed their charter, they have distinctly moved in the opposite direction and done actual harm … They have become an anti-American, anti-Semitic, anti-democratic, anti-freedom mob … We need some type of alternative—a Covenant of Democratic Nations … We need to repeal and replace.”

Rep. Franks was followed by panelist Ben Cohen of The Israel Project, who lamented, “You now have states that are basically glorified concentration camps … like North Korea, who get to have an equal voice with Australia, Canada, and the United States.” Ironically, said Cohen, while these other nations have full equality, one nation, Israel is the only nation whose sovereignty is “chipped away at on a daily basis.” Yet, he added, the UN did little to stop human rights calamites in Cambodia, Bosnia, Rwanda or present-day Syria. Cohen called for swift action on a new body as “the present situation is untenable.”

Panelist Kenneth Marcus, former director of the US Civil Rights Commission, coined the term “Amexit,” in a newspaper column and in his panel comments. He observed, that withholding funds “for some trivial reform” was not workable. The world needed more. Marcus said the reason to form a new body was precisely because “the goals and mission of the United Nations are so important that we need to consider replacing it … If we do repeal and replace, we need to start right away … and think big.”

Sarah Stern, founder of the Endowment for Middle East Truth (EMET), pinpointed America’s 22 percent share of the overall UN budget. Stern said America was not getting what it pays for when “despotic, ruthless, tyrannical regimes” such as Syria “could pass judgment on the one democracy in the Middle East.” The UN has proven to be “abysmal.” She added, “It is now time to begin having this conversation about dissolving the United Nations and replacing with a Covenant of Democratic Nations that share our common values … of tolerance, human rights, and the rule of law.”

Famed constitutional attorney Nathan Lewin, who has worked on 28 Supreme Court cases, proclaimed to the room, “The United Nations deserves an obituary … because the United Nations committed suicide when it adopted Resolution 2334. It wrote its own death warrant … Today I am happy to join a group that would spell the end of the United Nations, the end of its funding, it presence and significance in the world order.” When asked, he wondered whether international law even functioned as “law” as we know it, since it is applied so unevenly and inequitably.

The Covenant of Democratic Nations Launch in Washington DC was only the beginning. Additional panels and town hall meetings are scheduled:

  • Tuesday of this week there’s a discussion slated in Manhattan, featuring StandWithUs CEO Roz Rothstein, and Ken Abramowitz and Mark Langfan of Americans for a Safe Israel, EMET New York Chapter president Lauri Regan, and lawfare expert Aaron Eitan Meyer, and commentator Jeffrey Wiesenfeld.
  • On February 6, Palm Beach Synagogue will host a panel featuring Langfan with Lawrence Muscant, vice president of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, Irving Berkowitz, dean of academic affairs at Palm Beach State College, and Haim Shaked, director of Middle East Institute at the University of Miami.
  • On February 12, a similar panel of personalities will assemble near San Francisco, the birthplace of the United Nations.
  • Since some Australian legislators have echoed the move to defund and replace, the next session will be held in the Australian Parliament in Canberra on February 13, with similar events in Melbourne and Sydney.

The whirlwind six-week tour will finish with a series of efforts in Los Angeles and San Diego. This writer will function as moderator at all these events.

In each city, many questions will be debated. For example, exactly what constitutes a democracy? CDN’s Declaration asserts: “Democratic nations can be defined many ways by many people. One definition is: a pluralistic nation with a representative electorally-based government, overseen by its own constitutional checks and balances, which protects minority rights and treats all people, both its citizens and others, regardless of race, religion, national origin, or identification, with equal justice, equal dignity, and an equal respect for human rights.”

In many ways, the League of Nations began with a speech, Woodrow Wilson’s Fourteen Points. The United Nations began with a short, written declaration. For the Covenant of Democratic Nations, the conversation has now begun.

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thanks to rev17 for the link..

take the time to read this very carefully..

look at who is behind it and what they are proposing..

“A prime mission of the new world body would be to re-ratify, amend, or nullify all acts and resolutions of the United Nations and its agencies such as UNESCO. Thus, the Covenant would create a new body of long-overdue, reformed, clarified, and updated international law.”

quite frankly this looks terrifying..an even more authoritarian global governance system worse then the UN..created by, and we assume, run by (((them)))..

401

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54 Responses to “Replacing the UN with the Covenant of Democratic Nations”

  1. Organizations to sign petitions for, from their website:

    Change.org
    US White House
    Canada Parliament
    UK Parliament
    Germany Bundestag


    Change.org is grouped with government centers. It must be a “mover” (an agency that creates and influences policy).
    Not much on their website at the moment.
    http://www.covenantofdemocraticnations.org/index.php?page=290216

  2. terminology is very suspect .. Covenant of Democratic Nations

    Uniting the United Nations with Seven Noahide Laws
    Diplomats, Delegates, and Emissaries Gather at UN Headquarters for “One People, One World” Conference

    UNITED NATIONS, New York (June 10, 2013) – On the heels of the Lubavitcher Rebbe’s 19th Yahrtzeit, members of the UN Diplomatic corps, UN Press Officers, and and other officials gathered at the UN headquarters in New York to learn how the Seven Noahide Laws must play a key role in international efforts for world peace.

    “On this day, people from all over the world gathered on behalf of the Laws of Noah,” said Rabbi Yakov D. Cohen, head of the Institute of Noahide Code, which sponsored the conference. “Their observance is required, so that the vision of the United Nations—to have a settled and civilized world, filled with economic justice and righteousness—will prevail.”

    Titled “One People, One World,” the conference brought together journalists, diplomats, and delegates from countries across the globe – including Egypt and Israel. Guests of honor from the UN Diplomatic Corps also signed a “Declaration of the Seven Laws of Noah,” which emphasized the importance of the Seven Noahide Laws in maintaining peace, justice, and harmony among peoples and nations.

    In his remarks at the event, Rabbi Cohen discussed how monotheism – uniting the world under the one true G-d – is essential for breaking down barriers between cultures. Looking around the room – filled with faces reflecting the diversity of the United Nations itself – Rabbi Cohen insisted that we must work together in bringing the international community to a higher level of spiritual understanding of man’s place in the universe.

    Other speakers at the event included Cartell Gore, President of the Booker T. Washington Business League, and Richard Dawson, Director of Dawson Associates International, who insisted that all Jews are obligated to teach the Seven Noahide Laws.

    In addition to prohibiting idolatry, the Noahide code also forbids blasphemy, forbidden sexual relationships, murder, theft, and cruelty to animals. It also commands its followers to implement orderly processes of justice.

    The Institute of Noahide Code is a UN-accredited NGO dedicated to spreading awareness of the Seven Noahide Laws, which all peoples of the world are obligated to follow. It takes its guidance from the inspiring vision of the Lubavitcher Rebbe, who understood the inherent power of these laws to unite the nations of the world.

    https://www.un.org/ecosoc/sites/www.un.org.ecosoc/files/files/en/2016doc/list-oral-statment-institute-of-noahide-code.pdf

  3. United Nations signs “Declaration of the Seven Laws of Noah”

    On June 10th, 2013, United Nations diplomats from several different nations, including Egypt and Israel, attended the “One People, One World” Conference which was hosted by The Institute of Noahide Code (INC), a UN-accredited NGO dedicated to spreading awareness of the Seven Noahide Laws.  A summary of the conference was uploaded as a PDF to the United Nations website which you can view below. According to this UN summary of the conference, the attending delegates signed a “Declaration of the Seven Laws of Noah,” which emphasized the importance of the Seven Noahide Laws in maintaining peace, justice, and harmony among peoples and nations. The conference organizer, Rabbi Cohen, emphasized the need for “monotheism” in order to unite the world under “the one true G-d” and reiterated the Noahide Law prohibitions against “idolatry”, “blasphemy” and “forbidden sexual relations.” The UN document states the Noahide Laws are laws “which all peoples of the world are obligated to follow.” The document also mentions the “Lubavitcher Rebbe”, presumably Rabbi Schneerson who said that non-Jews exist only for the sake of Jews. Since 2013, the UN has hosted several other INC conferences. (Videos Below)  Why would the United Nations sign a “Declaration of the Seven Laws of Noah,” which are Jewish supremacist laws from the Babylonian Talmud and command non-Jews to set up courts which are at least theoretically supposed to execute non-Jews who do not follow Jewish strictures? Why would the UN document state that the Noahide Laws are laws “which all peoples of the world are obligated to follow.”  Does the UN really believe that Noahide Laws are mandatory for all nations and that we must all submit to the “one true G-d” of the Jewish Talmud? 

    http://stopnoahidelaw.blogspot.com/2017/05/united-nations-signs-declaration-of.html

    • thank, Rev.
      this text/news seems invented…but it is noT!!! wow! appears to be completely real!!…nauseous…

      the source:
      https://www.un.org/ecosoc/sites/www.un.org.ecosoc/files/files/en/2016doc/list-oral-statment-institute-of-noahide-code.pdf

      the Lubavitch…:

      “Institute of Noah Code-7 Laws for 70 Nations — a national organization in the United States which encourages the practice of the Seven Laws of Noah according to the teachings of Rabbi M. M. Schneerson”
      http://www.un.org/press/en/2010/ecosoc6408.doc.htm

      “Institute of Noahide Code, a national educational and research division of Hafatzah/outreach organization in the United States that encourages the practice of “The Seven Laws of Noah”
      https://www.un.org/press/en/2011/ecosoc6463.doc.htm

    • According to this UN summary of the conference, the attending delegates signed a “Declaration of the Seven Laws of Noah,” which emphasized the importance of the Seven Noahide Laws in maintaining peace, justice, and harmony among peoples and nations.

      • Know Comment: Replace the UN

        The Trump administration is breaking new ground by talking about a 50% cut in the $10 billion in American funding for UN programs. But neither Trump administration officials nor any serious think tank has offered concrete suggestions how to fix the organization or replace it. It is time to do so.

        Edwin Black, the investigative author of IBM and the Holocaust, is leading an effort to replace the UN with a new world body called the Covenant of Democratic Nations.

        A prime mission of the proposed UN-successor entity, limited to nations governed by democratic principles, would be to nullify crazy acts and nasty resolutions of the UN and its agencies – such as UNESCO’s denial of Jewish Jerusalem. The Covenant also would seek to create a long-overdue body of reformed and updated international law.

        In January, Rep. Trent Franks (R-Arizona) assembled a panel of like-minded thinkers in Congress to launch discussion of this. “The UN has become an anti-American, antisemitic, anti-democratic, anti-freedom mob,” he said. “We need some type of alternative – a Covenant of Democratic Nations.”

        Famed constitutional attorney Nathan Lewin proclaimed to the room that the UN had written its own death warrant by adopting Security Council Resolution 2334 which criminalized Israeli settlements.

        International law, he said, doesn’t function any longer as “law” as we know it, since it is applied so unevenly and inequitably.

        http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Know-Comment-Replace-the-UN-489804

        Nathan Lewin, a prominent Washington lawyer, (33) is vice president of the National Jewish Commission on Law and Public Affairs and president of the American Section of the International Association of Jewish Lawyers and Jurists. According to the Cornell Chronicle, Nathan Lewin was deputy assistant attorney general during the Kennedy and Johnson administrations. (6)
         
        With his daughter and other Talmud advocate organizations, he works to inject the principles Talmud law into American jurisprudence and American society. (39) He is the author of a suggestion that summary execution and/or assassination of the families of suspected suicide bombers would be a step toward justice and a better world.

        Supreme Court Considers Talmudic Law
        In December 1999, the United States Supreme Court set a precedent by accepting for consideration an amicus curiae brief in a death penalty case (Bryan v. Moore). Aside from mentioning the Eighth Amendment of the US Constitution in passing, the brief was based wholly on Talmud law. The Jewish Journal reports:
        A man who will argue before the U.S. Supreme Court next year that his planned execution in Florida’s electric chair constitutes “cruel and unusual punishment” can point to a 2,000-year-old Jewish law when he pleads his case.
         
        A friend-of-the court brief filed last week in the Supreme Court by the National Jewish Commission on Law and Public Affairs, which advocates the position of the Orthodox community, and the American Section of the International Association of Jewish Lawyers and Jurists, backs Anthony Bryan’s position.
         
        In citing only Jewish law and excluding any reference to previous Supreme Court decisions, the brief is believed to mark a first for America’s highest court.
         
        The brief, written by the father-daughter team of Nathan and Alyza Lewin and reviewed by former Israeli Supreme Court Justice Menachem Elon, delves into the biblical and talmudic texts relating to execution in Jewish law.
        — The Jewish Journal

        The Brief in a Nutshell
        A copy of the brief is available at the Jewish Law website. (9) Lawyers Nathan and Alyza Lewin make it clear that their clients (two Jewish law advocacy groups) are not arguing for the return of Talmud execution methods, such as stoning. Rather, the advocates say that the humanitarianism of Talmud law should serve as our exemplar. In a nutshell, the brief states that the Talmud Sages wanted the death penalty:
        To be as quick as possible
        To be as painless as possible
        To cause as little disfigurement as possible
        To preserve the dignity of the condemned
        To be within the framework of Biblical texts
        In addition, the brief states that:
        Capital punishment was rarely imposed because Talmudic justice comprises stringent rules regarding the admissibility and sufficiency of evidence:
        A court of at least 23 judges must be satisfied that a capital crime has occurred
        Two witnesses must see and testify to the crime
        The witness must be subjected to detailed and searching interrogation
        Rarely did capital cases meet the prescribed legal standard

        In the concluding paragraph of the brief, the advocates return to the theme of Talmud humanitarianism:
        CONCLUSION: If execution by the electric chair, as administered in Florida, results in unnecessary pain and disfigurement, it would be unacceptable under the principles underlying the traditional Jewish legal system applied 2000 years ago, and should also be unacceptable under the Eighth Amendment today.
        — National Jewish COLPA and IAJLJ

        http://come-and-hear.com/editor/capunish_1.html

        • A prime mission of the proposed UN-successor entity, limited to nations governed by democratic principles, would be to nullify crazy acts and nasty resolutions of the UN and its agencies – such as UNESCO’s denial of Jewish Jerusalem.

          gee..i wonder who is pushing this!!!

      • The Noahide Law can well become “International Law” this September 2015, when the UN  approve their “Sustainable Development Agenda that has been scheduled to meet.

      • I’ll try one more time .. this is a google article but the link wont post

    • “Does the UN really believe that Noahide Laws are mandatory for all nations and that we must all submit to the “one true G-d” of the Jewish Talmud?”

      This is a well-made, precise rhetorical statement. The idolatry of the Jewish Talmud.

      1 Thessalonians 2:13-16, “13 For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you welcomed it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which also effectively works in you who believe. 14 For you, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God which are in Judea in Christ Jesus. For you also suffered the same things from your own countrymen, just as they did from the Judeans, 15 who killed both the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they do not please God and are contrary to all men, 16 forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they may be saved, so as always to fill up the measure of their sins; but wrath has come upon them to the uttermost.”

  4. Could it be a struggle for the ultimate power between the Rockefellers, i.e. UN (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headquarters_of_the_United_Nations) and the Rothschilds, i.e. this Covenant of DN?

  5. Reblogged this on World Peace Forum.

  6. Nice find Seek! Very scary these Lubavitchers, they are more of a cartel than a religion. Black Sky seems to be the Big EYE in the SKY imo….evil.

    It seems all that talk about their new world order, is a done deal, with the same players planning to own and control the world.

  7. Blood Ritual
    1. Holy Atrocities and Judaism

    A dominant theme of both ancient Hebrew and subsequent Jewish culture is the Holy Atrocity. The ancient Hebrews, most often acting upon direct orders from LORD God, exterminated entire ethnic groups, tribes and nationalities. Men, women, children, and livestock were slaughtered, cities burned, and artwork destroyed. Sometimes LORD God directed the Hebrews to massacre each other, and sometimes others attacked LORD God’s people

    Advocating Holy Atrocities
    The Holy Atrocity is relevant to today’s political situation in the Middle East and the role America will play: The Holy Atrocity is advocated as a political solution. One of the advocates is Washington, DC lawyer Nathan Lewin, who represents Orthodox Jewish interest groups in high-profile legal disputes. In an article published in May 2002 in the opinion magazine Shma.com, Lewin called for the massacre of families of Palestinians accused of suicide bombing.

    He introduces the subject with these words:
    What if Israel and the United States announced that henceforth the perpetrators of all suicide attacks would be treated as if they had brought their parents and brothers and sisters with them to the site of the explosion?
    — Nathan Lewin (8)

    We encountered Lewin before when he submitted an amicus curiae brief to the Supreme Court arguing that the US death penalty is cruelly inflicted, and that the US should emulate the humanitarian death penalty principles contained in the Talmud. (35) Lewin also argued that the death penalty was rarely used in Talmud law. We found a number of flaws in Lewin’s presentation — for example, he failed to tell the Supreme Court about a Talmud law that mandates the annihilation of entire tribes, towns, and cities in one fell swoop.

    MISHNAH. … A TRIBE … CAN ONLY BE TRIED BY A COURT OF SEVENTY-ONE … NO CITY CAN BE DECLARED CONDEMNED SAVE BY A DECREE OF A COURT OF SEVENTY-ONE. A FRONTIER TOWN CANNOT BE CONDEMNED NOR THREE CITIES AT A TIME, BUT ONLY ONE OR TWO.
    — Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin 2a
    Soncino 1961 Edition, pages 2-3

    http://come-and-hear.com/editor/br_1.html

    Truly Evil …..

    • Thanks intrigued, I should study this particular issue more, i.e. the Talmud and the people who hold to it, etc.

      I know this is a difficult issue to ones heart when it comes to God charging His people to conquer other nations. I will not go into that particular issue from the Old Testament. What I will mention for our present day post-apostolic days is, in my opinion, how dangerous the charismatic movement is in all forms, whether in the Roman Catholic Church or a Pentecostal church, like the Assemblies of God. The charismatic movement is rooted in the various historical, or present-day, extra-Biblical traditions, writings, or revelations deemed to be from God.

      First, I believe revelations are no longer given from God. The full revelation came in Jesus Christ, so the revelation can be no fuller for our days. The canon is closed. The Bible is to not have any more pages added to it. Even this belief may be a danger to some people. For others, when a person comes along and says “God told me”, and it is no where to be found in Scripture, such a preface to what comes next is truly also a danger for them. To postulate Gods’ authority on any matter should be taken with care. In our current day, there is no need for any more revelations from God. I understand this may also be a difficult issue for some, even those past revelations written in the Bible are too much for some people and may be grouped together in their mind with all charlatans. I am only bringing up the “God told me” preface due to this is how even false teachings and evil people preface their perverted need to attain power over others, which is really what I am focused upon and I am driving at in this comment. So the following is my main point:

      When a Jewish follower of the Talmud, or the UN, or CofDN, charismatic, or whoever comes along, and says “God told me” to destroy this nation or that people, or we are to have this political body placed over us, etc., there is the danger. There are moral imperatives for understanding self-defense, I do not believe passivism is tenable, but when somebody comes along and says “God told me” we are to kill people-W, etc., then the alarms should be going off.

      • Adirondack for once I agree with you on the extreme danger of the charismatic movement and Pentecostalism birthed by the Manifest Sons of God (William Branham – freemason) .. as I have witnessed the destruction of my entire family .. yet I will not throw out the baby with the bathwater ..
        If revelation is no longer given why are we told ‘the Holy Spirit will lead us into all truth’ .. Yahshua said, ‘My sheep hear My voice’ .. Have you never heard His voice ??
        The canon is closed if you accept the Masoretic text translated from the Greek Septuagint by Edomite Jews who rejected your Messiah and according to John those who deny Yahshua are Anti-Christ.
        Before you begin a study of the Talmud I suggest your time would be better invested in reading the First Book of Maccabees and you will understand why the Masorites did not include Maccabees in the canon.

        The Great Assembly, also known as the Great Synagogue, was, according to Jewish tradition, an assembly of 120 scribes, sages, and prophets, in the period from the end of the Biblical prophets to the time of the development of Rabbinic Judaism, marking a transition from an era of prophets to an era of Rabbis. They lived in a period of about two centuries ending c. 70 AD. Among the developments in Judaism that are attributed to them are the fixing of the Jewish Biblical canon, including the books of Ezekiel, Daniel, Esther, and the Twelve Minor Prophets; the introduction of the triple classification of the oral Torah, dividing its study into the three branches of midrash, halakot, and aggadot; the introduction of the Feast of Purim; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon

        Why would the Feast of Purim be introduced if not based on the Book of Maccabees .. it was obviously included in the Septuagint being the only surviving source and therefore the original Hebrew also .. so the Masorites saw fit to remove books and we are supposed to believe God had nothing to say for 400 years .. the years between the return from Babylon and invasion by Rome is critical to understanding the scriptures from the Edomite Jew perspective.

        Do not underestimate these motherless bastards .. the evidence is indisputable they are planning to kill you and your children and I for one will not hesitate to exercise my God given authority to protect whats left of my family.

        I am not interested in doctrinal dispute .. I am here to share what has been revealed to me by the Holy Spirit and the study of scripture and extra biblical material .. I have been passionately studying God’s word for 45 years .. it is the living breathing transforming power of God and shame on you, to call yourself a man of God and deny the continuous revelation that is yours for the asking .. break out of your canned doctrine and seize the opportunity for deeper understanding .. no offense I just take this very seriously

      • The Book of Nehemiah suggests that the priest-scribe Ezra brought the Torah back from Babylon to Jerusalem and the Second Temple (8–9) around the same time period. Both I and II Maccabees suggest that Judas Maccabeus (c. 167 BC) likewise collected sacred books (3:42–50, 2:13–15, 15:6–9), indeed some scholars argue that the Jewish canon was fixed by the Hasmonean dynasty.[17] However, these primary sources do not suggest that the canon was at that time closed; moreover, it is not clear that these sacred books were identical to those that later became part of the canon.

        • Good questions about why I believe the way I do. I will not be able to sufficiently address some of what you wrote, and I desire to, but I will be out of town for a couple days and will not have access to a computer, nor the time.

          Just a couple things on how interpret certain things you brought up:

          1 – I hear His voice when His written Word is preached
          2 – The truth I am lead into by the Holy Spirit is revealed in the completed canon for it is the full revelation as to the Person and work of Jesus (or Yashua) for the salvation of His people. The Old Testament anticipates His coming salvation work, and the New Testament reflects back on His accomplished work of salvation that He applies to believers through the Holy Spirit. He applies His accomplished work of salvation that He merited on our behalf to all His people, including those yet to be born. Yet, when all are saved in time, then He returns again at the Final Judgment.
          3 – 1 Macc. gives a false gospel, which is no gospel at all, which is why I reject it as Scripture as follows:

          James 2:23, “And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”

          Romans 4:3, “For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”

          1 Maccabees 2:52, ““Was not Abraham found faithful in temptation, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness?”

          Genesis 15:6, “And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.”

          1 Maccabees 2:52 does not quote Genesis the same as James and Romans (and Galatians). Genesis 15:6 is the gospel. 1 Maccabees 2:52 is not the gospel. There is “justification by works” (James) and “faith working by love (Paul), but they are both talking about the righteousness, justification, or “working by love”, not due to “faith” but in accord with “works” due to the faith the person has. These are “good works”, which do not justify or save, but good works because the person is already justified (saved).

          1 Macc. confuses what “imputed” means. Imputation has to do with our justification by faith. What is imputed to sinful man is the Righteousness of Christ, so then God justifies or pardons (also called forgives) the man of faith and repentance. Man believes (faith) in the Righteousness of Christ and God imputes, or reckons, His Righteousness to believers. Our sin was imputed to Christ on the cross, which is why Christ without sin was punished for sin, the sin was not His, but ours. 1 Macc. confusingly states “imputation” happens to Abraham due to him being “faithful in temptation”, in other words, not a justify faith in 1 Macc., but a “good works” faith. In Scripture, “imputation” happens only at justify faith, not “good works” faith. 1 Macc. has it mixed up, and therefore, not only misquotes Genesis 15:6, but hypothetically, if 1 Macc. is not trying to quote the Genesis verse, then the theology is still wrong. 1 Macc. is not giving the gospel, but is teaching a works based salvation, in which God does not save by imputing the righteousness due to faith, but rather, 1 Macc. is stating God saves by imputing righteousness to those who do a “good work” in order to save themselves. In the case of Abraham, the imputation of righteousness in order for Abraham to be saved happens due to his doing the good work of not being tempted. A work based salvation is Judaism and all other forms of Pelagians, including the Roman Catholic understanding.

          In short, imputation is a legal act by God of Christ’s Righteousness to believers and our sin imputed to Him while He was on the cross. This is the only time “imputation” occurs. To be saved, or imputed righteousness, due to a good work, e.g. not falling into temptation, is works not faith. The gospel is not a message about the good works man has to do in order to be saved. The gospel is a message about the good work Christ did in order to save others. The others believe in what Christ did for them, and so God pardons them not based on what they did, or merited, but God pardons them because He imputed the Righteousness of Christ to them and declares them legally forgiven. Those who believe, or have faith, in Christ and what He did, then do good works, but those good works do not save them. Those good works, like avoiding temptation, do not have God impute righteousness to them.

          1 Macc. has a false gospel, and that is why I reject its’ admittance into being Scripture. It seems to have a good historical account, though.

          That is all I am able to get to tonight, and for the next few days.

          LORD bless

          • Apocrypha

            The apocrypha is a selection of books which were published in the original 1611 King James Bible. These apocryphal books were positioned between the Old and New Testament (it also contained maps and geneologies). The apocrypha was a part of the KJV for 274 years until being removed in 1885 A.D. A portion of these books were called deuterocanonical books by some entities, such as the Catholic church.

            Many claim the apocrypha should never have been included in the first place, raising doubt about its validity and believing it was not God-inspired (for instance, a reference about magic seems inconsistent with the rest of the Bible: Tobit chapter 6, verses 5-8). Others believe it is valid and that it should never have been removed- that it was considered part of the Bible for nearly 2,000 years before it was recently removed a little more than 100 years ago. Some say it was removed because of not finding the books in the original Hebrew manuscripts. Others claim it wasn’t removed by the church, but by printers to cut costs in distributing Bibles in the United States. Both sides tend to cite the same verses that warn against adding or subtracting from the Bible: Revelation 22:18. The word ‘apocrypha’ means ‘hidden.’ Fragments of Dead Sea Scrolls dating back to before 70 A.D. contained parts of the apocrypha books in Hebrew, including Sirach and Tobit [source].

            Keep this in mind when reading the following apocryphal books. Martin Luther said, “Apocrypha–that is, books which are not regarded as equal to the holy Scriptures, and yet are profitable and good to read.”

            https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Apocrypha-Books/

            • I agree with the Luther quote. The early manuscripts, such as the Maritorian fragment, had other writings at the end of the Scripture. Just like many bibles today may have weights and measurements, index, maps, and some have commentary, but that does not make them Scripture. They are definitely profitable. I recommend everybody to read them. There will be very helpful insights found in apocrypha writings. Whether it be how people thought at the time, or some valid history, the writings will be beneficial.

          • is it just mere coincidence the Apocrypha was removed from the bible just prior to the emergence of CI Scofield’s reference bible promoting the restoration of the state of Israel .. ??

            The apocrypha was a part of the KJV for 274 years until being removed in 1885

            In October 1883, Scofield was ordained as a Congregationalist minister

            In 1878, the Believers’ Meeting for Bible Study produced the document that came to be known as the “Niagara Creed.” This 14-point statement of faith was one of the first to explicitly proclaim faith in the premillennial return of Jesus Christ to earth. The Niagara Creed does not explicitly affirm dispensationalism, but it refers to several key dispensationalist beliefs, including the reality of the millennium, the restoration of Israel, and the distinction between the judgment of the saved and the damned.

            In 1888, Scofield attended the Niagara Bible Conference

            the Scofield Reference Bible was published in 1909

            the historic value of Maccabees is undisputed as it exposes Hellenist Jews and the incorporation of the Edomites into the tribe of Judah and eventual usurption of the priesthood under Herod and clearly identifies the Jews who say they are Jews but are not, they are liars, they are the synagogue of satan.

            I am not concerned about straining doctrinal gnats .. my concern is documented historic truth.

            • I agree with everything you said, except the very last sentence, in which my concern is in doctrine because I believe doctrine is the basis of “truth”, even historical truth. Without the gospel rightly preached, then not only is a particular church false, but the way of salvation is not present. Yet, laying that aside, you have a completely valid and interesting argument. I do not know how neat and tidy, thus organized, the movement was, but seeing the timing of the when the Scofield Bible came around is when the Apocrypha books were being discarded, when they are informative, is damaging either way. The intertestamental period, if any have the time, needs to be studied. I have studied some of it closely, some years ago, but its’ background is truly informative to not only what happens after the Old Testament, but much of it is the backdrop to what was still present at the incarnation of Christ.

              This may well be an aside comment as follows, but I have been recently thinking how dispensationalism, e.g. Left Behind, easily may set a person up for Pentecostalism. I do not know if there is a direct one-to-one organized and intended development by people to go from one to the other, but I read a recent comment in an article (quoted below), in which I found insightful. Some in the early church thought Christ would return during their time (happens a lot in church history, and Paul’s epistle to the Thessalonians addresses this specific issue, etc.), but what struck me, is when it did not happen according to man’s misplaced expectations, then some of those people quickly and easily adhered to mystical, “Pentecostal” type, and thus, escapist philosophies and practices, which may as well as include early types of “Prosperity Gospel”, i.e encratic. When people can not stand the present evil world any longer, and their deliverance is not as immediate as they would like, then the temptation and practice in adhering to “Left Behind” type eschatology’s, may easily develop into, or practice, escapist philosophies.

              The article I read was written by a Gnostic who is a professor at a university and is popular in current culture (been on CNN, etc.), even though my views on that philosophy may be well-known, I found the self-witness incredibly helpful in understanding the relationship between certain movements.

              I do not think the article is pertinent as to what I said, but the comment, I quote below, does truly witness to how some self-identify:

              April DeConick, “In its [Gnosticism] final form it is both encratic and mystical, the result of the interiorization of the apocalypse in face of its failure to materialize according to the earlier expectations of the Syrian Christians.”
              http://aprildeconick.com/gospel-of-thomas/

  8. Thanks adirondack, I always appreciate your wisdom of the scriptures. I genuinely believe that many of these ‘re-legions’ claiming to be Christian/Judaism are nothing more than a cartel of men who have been ruling the people with ‘fear’ for no other reason than to control them and their wealth, their lives, their destinies – playing ‘god’ as if they are appointed by the Divine Creator of All things, which is a lie and misinterpretation of the sacred writings. Israel is not a state, a country or a nation, and that is one of their biggest lies of all. Powers and Principalities – they are playing out the scriptures to enslave the minds of the people, who are unwittingly giving them their ‘consent’ to do so, out of ‘fear’.

  9. (((They))) want to cement their control of East Jerusalem which they stole from the Palestinians so that they can build the their temple the Beit HaMikdash on the ruins of the Al-Aqsa Mosque.

    The Sunni Moslems have been prepared for years by the CryptoJewish House of Saud that the Holy shrines of Islam is haram -curse because it leds people astray to idolatry,
    therefore the house of Saud has destroyed many ancient mosques built by the Prophet (pbuh), and ISIS has destroyed the graves of holy men and women of Islam in Syria.
    The Jews will probably use ISIS to destroy the Al-Aqsa Mosque.

    The Moshiach which is the AntiChrist, Al-Dayyal for the Moslems will kill Christians and destroy the holy shrines of Islam hence the prophesies of both Christendom and Islam will come true.
    This is what the head of the Sanhedrin is really speaking about here.

    This is what this Noahide movement is about. Christendom will be outlawed as a danger to humanity.

    Sounds far fetched?

    The Jews have today succeeded to roll back western civilization 500 years, jailing scientist who question their Holohoax.
    http://www.zundelsite.org/archive/victims/victims_of_zion.html

    Jailing lawyers for defending their Holohoax denying clients using the arguments that the client contends for his innocence, is a roll back of 2500 years at the very least.

    Check the persecution of Ernst Zündel

    They persecuted him for not BELIEVING in their hoax, and concluded that he deserved to die in agony.
    WHY?
    Because he offended the Jews by arguing against their story. / years in prison for questioning the Jews in Germany alone, and prior to that multiple harrassments in Canada and the US. They wouldn’t even allow him to enter the US to take care of his wife Ingrid Rimland at the end of his life, neither could Ingrid move to Germany without being given a 7 year prison sentence.

    http://www.torontosun.com/2017/08/07/ernst-zundel-deserved-agony-not-a-quiet-exit

    You think if they can pull of 911 and the Holohoax, they cannot pull off making Christendom illegal?

    Read my post about the criminality of Judaism as exposed by Jewish humanists and then explain to me how they succeeded kept this secret from 7 billion Goyim, without the help of super natural forces.
    https://direktdemokratihalmstad.wordpress.com/2016/02/11/judaism-has-declared-war-on-humanity-proof/

    • I appreciate your comment and I have read your post .. we are on the same page .. theres nothing new under the sun .. what bothers me is such little attention is given to this critical issue .. the next Trump fart gets more attention .. everything else is just a distraction while these demonic bred hybrids gain more power .. besides exposing them, what is your plan to stop them ???

    • thanks for your thoughts, Lasse K!
      “explain to me how they succeeded kept this secret from 7 billion Goyim, without the help of super natural forces.”
      what do you mean by that? “supernatural forces”? please explain. thanks.

    • “-Greek geographer Strabo traveled the Roman Empire
      during the reign of Augustus(27 BC- 14 AD). He concluded there is almost no place in the Roman Empire from Italy to Africa, where the Jews have not penetrated into the highest levels of power

      “These Jews have penetrated to every city, and it would not be easy to find a single place in the inhabited world which has not received this race, and where it has not become master.””

    • Lasse K quote from your post ..
      ‘This site accuses the religion of Judaism, and not Jews per se.
      This site recognizes that there are Jewish humanists, who still want to define themselves as Jews, but define themselves first and foremost as humans.’

      First in the opinion of many who comment here .. ‘Jew humanist’ is an oxymoron .. if you consider yourself a Jew, are you a descendant of Jacob or a descendant of Esau? .. how would know? I doubt most Jews have ever considered the possibility they are descended from Esau but that possibility is greater .. I am sure you know the Edomites were forcibly circumcised and incorporated into the tribe of Judah .. if you despise Judaism why then would you continue to identify as a Jew .. is it your ‘get out of jail free card’ for when the Noahide Laws are enforced? Why don’t you identify as your nationality ?? .. Continuing to identify as a Jew provides cover for those you despise .. if your fellow Jew humanists are sincere they ought to reject the identity of Jew and call for the abolishment of Judaism .. Judaism is an evil perverted religion and should be outlawed and every Rabbi arrested for promoting racism and genocide .. or are you in fact stimulating the Jews favorite weapon .. Anti-Semitism ??

    • Thank you, Lasse Karagiannis (@Amalek_) important information for those who are unaware of the ‘agenda’.

  10. fits perfectly here…

    Zuck For Pres 2020: The Nightmare Begins

    https://steemit.com/news/@corbettreport/zuckerberg-for-president-2020

  11. https://lettersfromthegulag.blogspot.com/2017/08/charlottesville-staged-cultural-marxist.html
    remember-Fringes OnFlag=MartialLawToo

  12. The Dangerous Agenda of Dehumanizing Whites

    https://philosophyofmetrics.com/the-dangerous-agenda-of-dehumanizing-whites/

    • The use of white privilege as a political weapon is a flawed cultural and socioeconomic strategy. Under such a premise, African privilege would exist in Africa. Asian privilege would exist in Asia. Each culture has favoured its own demographic throughout the historical timelines and development of civilizations.

      But white culture imported slaves and used that labor force to build Western civilization. All cultures and religions have utilized slavery and cruelty at varying degrees throughout history. Africans have enslaved Africans, and still do today in fact. Africans have enslaved white Europeans during the Barbary Slave Trade. Muslims have enslaved non-Muslims. Mongrels conquered and enslaved whole swaths of people while attempting to wipe out Muslims. Attempting to equate enslavement and cruelty as a predominant white characteristic is a liberal-left fantasy which will ultimately backfire and cause immense destruction in all civilizations.

      To collectively blame all white people, and white culture, for the past weaknesses of those who have promoted division within humanity, is tantamount to a reverse form of racism which is intended to justify forthcoming acts of murder and genocide. Nazi Germany began similar programs of dehumanization before the genocide against Jews and other peoples of Eastern Europe.

  13. https://archive.fo/DRufb

  14. https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2002/exploring-what-behind-rare-phenomenon-jewish-anti-semites

    -For an entire millennium — from the 8th to the 18th century — Jewish converts to Christianity were among the leading advocates of forcibly converting their former brethren and of burning the Talmud, the text of rabbinical commentaries on Jewish law. In the early 20th century, there were numerous converted Jews who also made careers out of attacking their former co-religionists.-

  15. […] https://seeker401.wordpress.com/2017/08/10/replacing-the-un-with-the-covenant-of-democratic-nations/ […]

  16. The Gaza War and the Killing of Non-Combatants in Warfare – Why are the Rabbis Silent?

    A Crash Course on the True Causes of “Anti-Semitism”

    http://www.unz.com/tsaker/a-crash-course-on-the-true-causes-of-anti-semitism/

    • deserves reading / watching!!! that’s what Rev has spoke here for so long, but it’s official, recent and presented by a serious Torah scholar,
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bar-Hayim,
      http://machonshilo.org/en/index.php

      the article is a great sum-up + analysis!! take a look.

      as a sparkle of light, though, in that monstrosity (in one phrase: “The simple truth is that Pharisaic Talmudism (aka modern “Judaism”) is the only religion which teaches a God-revealed racism.”), I liked this one:
      Finally, for all the (alas many) bone-headed racists out there, none of that Pharisaic ideology is transmissible by genes so please don’t give me that “all Jews” nonsense. Some Jews do espouse these views, others don’t. Remember, Jews are not a race or ethnicity, they are a tribe. A Jew who completely rejects all this religiously-sanctioned racism about goyims does not somehow still mysteriously still carry in himself some “Talmudic bacillum” which can flare up and turn him overnight into a hate-filled racist.


      “Judeophobia has its roots in the demonic teachings of the sect of the Pharisees whose religiously-sanctioned racism has, unfortunately, permeated the worldview of many secular Jews. As long as Orthodox rabbis will stick to their demented self-worship (this is real idolatry, by the way!), “antisemitism” will continue to “mysteriously” rear its ugly head.

      Brecht was right, “’The belly is still fertile from which the foul beast sprang”. He just got the ‘belly’ wrong.”

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