“Filial Correction” to Pope Francis for “Propagating Heresy”

http://www.lifezette.com/faithzette/filial-correction-to-pope-francis-for-propagating-heresy/

In what is known as a “filial correction” for “propagating heresy,” 62 Catholic scholars have corrected Pope Francis — in an action that has not occurred since the Middle Ages.

The letter was delivered to Pope Francis on August 11, 2017, but the pontiff did not respond and, therefore, it was made public on Sept. 24, 2017. Currently the letter has been signed by 62 clergy and lay scholars from 20 countries.

The letter’s fundamental purpose is to bring to light seven heretical positions in the apostolic exhortation of Amoris Laetitia involving marriage, moral life, and the sacraments.

The document from the conservative theologians is broken down into three key parts — and begins with an explanation of why these scholars felt they had a duty to write the letter.

“With profound grief, but moved by fidelity to our Lord Jesus Christ, by love for the Church and for the papacy, and by filial devotion toward yourself, we are compelled to address a correction to Your Holiness on account of the propagation of heresies effected by the apostolic exhortation Amoris Laetitia and by other words, deeds and omissions of Your Holiness,” the signers said in the beginning of the document.

As subjects, we do not have the right to issue to Your Holiness that form of correction by which a superior coerces those subject to him with the threat or administration of punishment,” they continued.

“We issue this correction, rather, to protect our fellow Catholics — and those outside the Church, from whom the key of knowledge must not be taken away — hoping to prevent the further spread of doctrines which tend of themselves to the profaning of all the sacraments and the subversion of the Law of God,” they stated.

“We adhere wholeheartedly to the doctrine of papal infallibility,” the signers wrote, adding, “Neither Amoris Laetitia nor any of the statements which have served to propagate the heresies which this exhortation insinuates are protected by that divine guarantee of truth.”

The second part of the document outlines the specific corrections they charge against the pope, and the third is called the Elucidation, which outlines two key causes of this crisis. The causes are Modernism and the influence of Martin Luther on Pope Francis.

“The letter shows how Luther had ideas on marriage, divorce, forgiveness, and divine law which correspond to those which the pope has promoted. It also notes the explicit and unprecedented praise given by Pope Francis to the German heresiarch,” reads the press release on the matter.

Another point made in this letter is that nothing about these seven heretical positions has been officially accepted as church doctrine — and Pope Francis has not insisted they be attributed as church doctrine.

The signers made no statement involving Pope Francis’ knowledge of the heresy — and simply asked him to condemn these points.

“The theological implications of certain interpretations of Amoris Laetitia include several very fundamental problems,” Joseph Shaw, a Fellow and Tutor in Philosophy at St Benet’s Hall, Oxford University, told LifeZette. “I would personally focus on the question of the life of grace. If a Catholic confesses his or her mortal sins and receives the sacraments, he or she will be living in friendship with God, with God’s sanctifying grace.”

“What these problematic interpretations of Amoris Laetitia are saying is that for some people grace is not available, or not sufficient, and that they should give up on living a good life and continue to sin in order to avoid bad consequences, such as harm to children. This creates at least a category of people – and perhaps everyone is supposed to be in this category – who cannot live a good life. It is as if they are abandoned by God, or at least that God is not able to lift them out of their sinful situation,” continued Shaw.

“This seems to me to undermine the whole possibility of living a Christian life,” Shaw concluded.

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about time..dude is out of control..

“With profound grief, but moved by fidelity to our Lord Jesus Christ, by love for the Church and for the papacy, and by filial devotion toward yourself, we are compelled to address a correction to Your Holiness on account of the propagation of heresies effected by the apostolic exhortation Amoris Laetitia and by other words, deeds and omissions of Your Holiness,” the signers said in the beginning of the document.”

bang!

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~ by seeker401 on September 28, 2017.

26 Responses to ““Filial Correction” to Pope Francis for “Propagating Heresy””

  1. I have been wondering what they are deeming to be heretical. Here is an knowledgeable Roman Catholic blog that seems to be internationally well-connected with Roman Catholic priests and academia. It has the letter with supplemental material on the subject. I have yet to read it to find out what it is the letter is asking the Pope to condemn. For Roman Catholics, sometimes they get bogged down in Latin mass v. Common language mass issues, or who is allowed to take the mass, etc. The letter might be more than this, but without soteriological issues taken up, then nothing has essentially changed as to what Catholicism counsels, which is not salvation in Christ and therefore they only burden people with guilt and efforts to do good that only seem to backfire and further delude people.

    https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2017/09/CORRECTION.html

    • “What these problematic interpretations of Amoris Laetitia are saying is that for some people grace is not available, or not sufficient, and that they should give up on living a good life and continue to sin in order to avoid bad consequences, such as harm to children. This creates at least a category of people – and perhaps everyone is supposed to be in this category – who cannot live a good life. It is as if they are abandoned by God, or at least that God is not able to lift them out of their sinful situation,” continued Shaw.

      • For Roman Catholicism, not baptized by a Roman priest is not having grace. Not having Mass is not having grace. Not going to a priests confession and instructed in penance is not having grace. Not given last rites is not having grace. Not submitting to the Pope’s authority is not having grace. Not doing any of these things is not having grace thus eternal punishment (hell).

        I do know the letter was given by those who strongly adhere to the Council of Trent and Vatican 1. Vatican 2 did not change doctrine, only presentation and due to presentation some within Catholicism have not shunned certain practices, though those practices are not in accord with official Roman Catholic doctrine, which may be one of the reasons for the letter (but I will have to see when I get the opportunity to read it).

        • What is grace? The definition of grace is “undeserved favor”. Without complicating God’s grace with all the various nuances of His benevolent love, Christ is Grace. In other words, Jesus Christ is the undeserved favor freely offered by God for man’s salvation.

          Roman Catholicism therefore deceivingly presents it is the deposit of grace freely offered by God for man’s salvation. RC deceivingly presents itself as the only place people are able to go in order to get God’s grace. RC deceivingly presents itself as the only place where God’s grace is offered. Whereas the truth of the matter is God’s grace is Christ who is freely offered not within the confines of any particular place made by human hands.

          Thus the deception of Roman Catholicism for it claims the grace of Christ is only being offered by Roman priests. The RC priest can only perform the baptism which makes the person perfect, which is a false notion. The RC priest can only transform bread into the actual body of Christ, which is a false notion and is their bread-god. The RC priest can only absolve sins through confession and disciplining through penance ordinances, which the confessor then has to perform the penance in order to rid their guilt, which is a false notion and gives no assurance of salvation. The RC priest has to give last rites to absolve sins that may not have been confessed to a priest in the proper place, which is false and terrifying notion. And the added guilt that by not doing any of these things, or not enough of them at any given time in the persons life gives no assurance of salvation, which is a false and terrifying notion that rejects who and what Jesus Christ did.

          Since Jesus Christ did pay the punishment on the cross in our place, then there is the full assurance that Jesus did save. Since He is the only, unique God-man who first loved us, even though people reject Him and so do not deserve His love and blessed goodness, God still freely offers Christ as the way of salvation. Christ is grace freely offered. Christ is the undeserved favor (grace) freely offered to man for his only way of salvation.

          The RC church condemns Christ is the grace offered, and states only through its’ sacramental system headed by and to be submitted under the Pope are people saved. Clearly different paths. One offered by God in Christ, the other said to be offered by God in Christ but only distributed out of the RC sacramental system headed by the Pope.

    • From the letter:
      “Your Holiness [Pope] has declared more than once that our sins are the place where we encounter Christ…. In an address to members of Communion and Liberation on March 7th, 2015 Your Holiness said:

      The privileged place of encounter is the caress of Jesus’ mercy regarding my sin. This is why you may have heard me say, several times, that the place for this, the privileged place of the encounter with Jesus Christ is my sin. ”

      wow. think about that for a moment.

    • Here is a very technical Roman Catholic understanding of salvation. It is wrong to put it plainly. It is technical though, and just like anybody else, they use Scripture in an effort to affirm their understanding. It is in the letter, or specifically an appendix to the letter called Elucidation. Notice for Roman Catholicism Jesus is not sufficient to save people. For RC, Jesus only reconciles people to God, and then it is up to people to by faith work out love in order for God to forgive them and give them eternal life. Also, in RC people can be “saved”, but lose their salvation, which means the RC understanding lacks the assurance of faith. Contrary to RC, there is assurance of faith. Contrary to RC, salvation is never lost and can not be lost, because what Jesus did is certain and true for God never lies. Contrary to RC, Jesus and the work He did, His death on the cross, His resurrection, and His work from heaven applied to our lives is sufficient for our salvation. From the Elucidation:

      “The gospel does not teach that all sins will in fact be forgiven, nor that Christ alone experienced the ‘judgement’ or justice of God, leaving only mercy for the rest of mankind. While there is a ‘vicarious suffering’ of our Lord in order to expiate our sins, there is not a ‘vicarious punishment’, for Christ was made “sin for us” (cf. 2 Cor. 5:21) and not a sinner. Out of divine love, and not as the object of God’s wrath, Christ offered the supreme sacrifice of salvation to reconcile us with God, taking upon himself only the consequences of our sins (cf. Gal. 3:13). Hence, so that we may be justified and saved, it is not sufficient to have faith that our sins have been removed by a supposed vicarious punishment; our justification lies in a conformity to our Saviour achieved by that faith which works through charity (cf. Gal. 5:6).”

    • The seven were listed – but only in Latin! But I figured out they probably are the seven heresies the letter charges the Pope to condemn, and they are listed in English in footnotes, which I am copying and pasting here, but I have not even read them yet:

      “By these words, deeds, and omissions, and by the above-mentioned passages of the document Amoris laetitia, Your Holiness has upheld, directly or indirectly, and, with what degree of awareness we do not seek to judge, both by public office and by private act propagated in the Church the following false and heretical propositions:

      1). ‘A justified person has not the strength with God’s grace to carry out the objective demands of the divine law, as though any of the commandments of God are impossible for the justified; or as meaning that God’s grace, when it produces justification in an individual, does not invariably and of its nature produce conversion from all serious sin, or is not sufficient for conversion from all serious sin.’

      2). ‘Christians who have obtained a civil divorce from the spouse to whom they are validly married and have contracted a civil marriage with some other person during the lifetime of their spouse, who live more uxorio with their civil partner, and who choose to remain in this state with full knowledge of the nature of their act and full consent of the will to that act, are not necessarily in a state of mortal sin, and can receive sanctifying grace and grow in charity.’

      3). ‘A Christian believer can have full knowledge of a divine law and voluntarily choose to break it in a serious matter, but not be in a state of mortal sin as a result of this action.’

      4). ‘A person is able, while he obeys a divine prohibition, to sin against God by that very act of obedience.’

      5). ‘Conscience can truly and rightly judge that sexual acts between persons who have contracted a civil marriage with each other, although one or both of them is sacramentally married to another person, can sometimes be morally right or requested or even commanded by God.’

      6). ‘Moral principles and moral truths contained in divine revelation and in the natural law do not include negative prohibitions that absolutely forbid particular kinds of action, inasmuch as these are always gravely unlawful on account of their object.’

      7). ‘Our Lord Jesus Christ wills that the Church abandon her perennial discipline of refusing the Eucharist to the divorced and remarried and of refusing absolution to the divorced and remarried who do not express contrition for their state of life and a firm purpose of amendment with regard to it.'”

      • Roman Catholicism is difficult to understand. I will probably do an injustice in my effort to understand actually what they are trying to communicate, because their words have such a different meaning than what I am schooled in. A lot of their words have such completely different meanings that I am used to using other words for “things” than they are. For example, in the heresy statement #1 quoted above, “justified” is what I would call “sanctified”; yet, I do admit there is “justification” just not the way RC understandings it. RC uses the words “justification” and “sanctification”, just as I do, but their words “justification” and “sanctification” label different “things”. In short, very difficult. In short also, I think it is part of their deception. They use words oddly to accord with their falsity that the web they weave gets tangled more and more.

        I will give it go, and write in different words what the dubia cardinals are calling heresies. Heresies they state the Pope is involved with and the Pope needs to condemn.

      • 1). The dubia cardinals are saying the first heresy is the following:

        To believe people are not able to obey the divine law, and to believe people are not able to stop sinning is a heresy.

        What is the divine law? It undoubtedly is defined by RC, and in the other heresy statements it is defined some.

      • 2). To believe divorce and remarry are good and one continues to grow in holiness while divorced and remarried is a heresy.

      • 3). To believe a person can break the divine law and it is not a sin to break the divine law is a heresy.

      • 4). To believe that an act of obeying God is also an act of sinning against God is a heresy.

        I have a sense this statement of heresy is not grasping the multi-layered human experience. (a) How can obedience be sin and sin be obedience? (b) The multi-layered human experience is we may do something good, but we remain sinners (we are not perfect at any given time until Jesus returns). Is this multi-layer the heresy? I have no idea. It is either stating (a) obedience is a sin is a heresy, which is non-sensical charge of heresy, or the heresy itself is the non-sensical formulation that obedience is a sin, or (b) it is ignorant of the multi-layered human experience.

      • 5). To believe remarriage is right or even commanded by God is a heresy.

      • 6). To believe moral truths are not to be always obeyed is a heresy.

      • 7). To believe the Eucharist is to be given to the divorced and remarried who do not repent and who are not sorrowed about their sin of being divorced and remarried is a heresy.

  2. thx Seek & Wildy for bring this out 🙂

  3. In the “Amoris laetitia”, there are 19 heresies, out of accord of Catholicism, but only 7 the Pope is being charged with as upholding and propagating the letter states:

    “In listing these seven propositions we do not intend to give an exhaustive list of all the heresies and errors which an unbiased reader, attempting to read Amoris laetitia in its natural and obvious sense, would plausibly take to be affirmed, suggested or favoured by this document: a letter sent to all the cardinals of the Church and to the Eastern Catholic patriarchs lists 19 such propositions. Rather, we seek to list the propositions which Your Holiness’s words, deeds and omissions, as already described, have in effect upheld and propagated, to the great and imminent danger of souls.”

  4. repost: Amoris Laetitia

    https://novusordowatch.org/2017/09/dubia-cardinal-carlo-caffarra-dies-at-79/

    “Caffarra is the second of the “dubia cardinals” to die. Joachim Meisner passed away only two months ago, on July 5 of this year. This leaves only two “dubia cardinals” still alive: Walter Brandmuller and Raymond Burke. Brandmuller is 88, and Burke is 69.
    Caffarra’s death certainly comes as an extreme convenience to Francis, who has been refusing for months even so much as to grant an audience to the authors of the dubia because he does not want to be confronted about his document that sanctions adultery as sometimes being “what God himself is asking amid the concrete complexity of one’s limits” (Antipope Francis, Exhortation Amoris Laetitia, n. 303). In June of this year, Vaticanist Sandro Magister made public Caffarra’s letter to Francis in which he very humbly and kindly begged Francis to be allowed to speak with him about the questions they had raised concerning his “Apostolic Exhortation” — to no avail.
    If Francis’ way of dealing with his opponents is simply to wait for them to die, he’s been in luck so far.”

    https://novusordowatch.org/2017/06/no-culture-of-encounter/

    ” Although private audiences have been granted to people like Leonardo di Caprio, Hebe de Bonafini, and plenty of Jewish rabbis, somehow Francis just can’t manage to squeeze these four red-hatted prelates into his busy schedule.”

    • francis is a fraud..this is more evidence..he wont even speak to his cardinals..

      • Francis is a fraud, but the dubia cardinals are not innocent either. The whole event is an in-house RC controversy. It is not about reformed, or a change of RC for the better. Both sides will only harden (the conservative strain) what is already RC doctrine, and the other side (Francis) is making a move to loosen RC practice. The substance of what makes RC – RC, are not being discussed in their in-house controversy.

        I started reading the letter. So far, it is mainly centered around who is allowed Mass, which Francis had opened to those divorced and who remarry another person as outlined in the Amoris Laetitia. The dubia charge that this act allows adulteries to take Mass. It seems to be another RC debate on who controls grace and what grace is. Does grace given through Mass, thus controlled by the RC church, make a person more holy? Or does giving Mass to a person who is committing adultery (as defined by RC) only make that person’s life worse, less holy? These are two possible questions being shifted through in their controversy. Really a horrible controversy over who in the RC is more powerful and controls the distribution of their version of grace.

        I have yet to get to a full list of the seven heresies he is charged with. When I do I will list them here.

  5. It is spoken as if Francis had arrived alone, without anyone’s help, to the throne of the Vatican. The deception comes from afar.
    I have already said here, I was in the Vatican in 1979, and there has nothing to do with Jesus, his mother, or God, that is a nest of devils.
    I have said that they have the runes of the Nefilim, a little stone of divination. They know where I live, and very important parts of my life, although it’s hard to understand, they, worried a lot about finding me, and several popes have known. They, the bad guys, are bad but they are not fools.
    I was also in San Pedro of the Vatican on May 13, in the middle of the bullets, between Juan Pablo and Ali Agca. I’m still waiting for the book that Ali Agca was supposed to write. But I think the truth will not come from any of them. Ah! on that occasion I was in the spirit, and at first I thought people were expecting a music artist, or something of Hollywood style.
    and the general discourse that is made of the mother of Jesus, and in particular the Franciscan Pope, is that she needs nothing more than to be in the showcase, and that Jesus is missing from current history. More or less, that is what I see on all sides, and the protagonism, is of them, and lucifer and his followers, in the media: we can all see them all on screen, the virgin is only , a qualifying adjective, for a class of stupid woman, who does not move or speak, on a pedestal, an image, like that of Jesus, for them are objects to be used by both mother and son Jesus, and also of God. Look where I look I see that. dolls ready to serve them.

    Some talk about what others are talking about, and others invent a new story about a story that they have already given us, manipulated and misrepresented, and the lie continues to get fat. . And I rarely, very rarely, see healthy people looking beyond the eyes of the face in search of truth, and the surface, has too many reflections.
    the world loves idols more than ever, anyone is an idol, and anyone can be worshiped, and many like to feel that they are god to others.
    There is nowhere to hide, neither for me nor for anyone. The truth is for everyone, but some even make the ridiculous to hide it, they get muddy and pretend to muddle everyone around, however, the soulless are trained in the diplomacy, by masters of deception. The devils like the shit even though on the outside they appear to be neat and perfect, and the witches and the soulless work for the lucifer devils … there really are many in the dark world organization, working as respectable in any branch around us, in everyday life, with their monthly salaries. No joke in all this.
    Has any of you ever seen a devil living in your city?
    Has any of you seen or talked with Jesus, or with his mother, or with God?

    The path of truth is not the easiest, for that they are on each side to trip us.

    • ” the soulless are trained in the diplomacy, by masters of deception. The devils like the shit even though on the outside they appear to be neat and perfect, and the witches and the soulless work for the lucifer devils … there really are many in the dark world organization, working as respectable in any branch around us, in everyday life, with their monthly salaries. No joke in all this.”

      Amen, thank you rosario7 this is the truth!

  6. and here he loads the guns again, Pepe Francis the Fake, spoking about the fake news…

    https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/09/29/the-pope-is-writing-a-document-on-fake-news/23227728/

    • How do you say False Beliefs in Latin I wonder? How do you say mind control, brainwashing and lies in Latin? Do all communists speak Latin, I wonder?

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