Pope Francis has abolished hell, purgatory and heaven


In the important newspaper “la Repubblica” of which he is the founder, Eugenio Scalfari, an undisputed authority of Italian secular thought, last October 9 returned to speaking in the following terms about what he sees as a “revolution” of this pontificate, in comments by Francis that are derived from his frequents conversations with him:

“Pope Francis has abolished the places where souls were supposed to go after death: hell, purgatory, heaven. The idea he holds is that souls dominated by evil and unrepentant cease to exist, while those that have been redeemed from evil will be taken up into beatitude, contemplating God.”

Observing immediately afterward:

“The universal judgment that is in the tradition of the Church therefore becomes devoid of meaning. It remains a simple pretext that has given rise to splendid paintings in the history of art. Nothing other than this.”

It is seriously doubtful that Pope Francis really wants to get rid of the “last things” in the terms described by Scalfari.

There is in his preaching, however, something that tends toward a practical overshadowing of the final judgment and of the opposite destinies of blessed and damned.

On Wednesday, October 11, at the general audience in Saint Peter’s Square, Francis said that such a judgment is not to be feared, because “at the end of our history there is the merciful Jesus,” and therefore “everything will be saved. Everything.”

In the text distributed to the journalists accredited to the Holy See, this last word, “everything,” was emphasized in boldface.

At another general audience a few months ago, on Wednesday, August 23, Francis gave for the end of history an image that is entirely and only comforting: that of “an immense tent, where God will welcome all mankind so as to dwell with them definitively.”

An image that is not his own but is taken from chapter 21 of Revelation, but from which Francis was careful not to cite the following words of Jesus:

“The victor will inherit these gifts, and I shall be his God, and he will be my son. But as for cowards, the unfaithful, the depraved, murderers, the unchaste, sorcerers, idol-worshipers, and deceivers of every sort, their lot is in the burning pool of fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

And again, in commenting during the Angelus of Sunday, October 15 on the parable of the wedding banquet (Matthew 22: 1-14) that was read at all the Masses on that day, Francis carefully avoided citing the most unsettling parts.

Both that in which “the king became indignant, sent his troops, had those murderers killed and their city burned.”

And that in which, having seen “one man who was not wearing the wedding garment,” the king ordered his servants: “Bind him hand and foot and throw him out into the darkness; there shall be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth.”

On the previous Sunday, October 8, another parable, that of the murderous vine dressers (Matthew 21:33-43), had undergone the same selective treatment.

In commenting on the parable during the Angelus, the pope left out what the owner of the vineyard does to those farmers who killed the servants and finally the son: “He will put those wretches to a miserable death.” Much less did he cite the concluding words of Jesus, referring to himself as the “cornerstone”: “He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; but when it falls on any one, it will crush him.”

Instead, Pope Francis insisted on defending God from the accusation of being vindictive, almost as if wanting to mitigate the excesses of “justice” detected in the parable:

“It is here that the great news of Christianity is found: a God who, in spite of being disappointed by our mistakes and our sins, does not go back on his word, does not stop, and above all does not avenge himself! Brothers and sisters, God does not avenge himself! God loves, he does not avenge himself, he waits for us to forgive us, to embrace us.”

Continue here: https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/worlds-end-update.-the-last-things-according-to-francis


of course he has..he can do anything! 🙂

“Pope Francis has abolished the places where souls were supposed to go after death: hell, purgatory, heaven. The idea he holds is that souls dominated by evil and unrepentant cease to exist, while those that have been redeemed from evil will be taken up into beatitude, contemplating God.”

the exact words francis uses are important..and are watched and dissected closely..


~ by seeker401 on November 3, 2017.

96 Responses to “Pope Francis has abolished hell, purgatory and heaven”

  1. “beatitude, contemplating God”

    The god of Aristotle and Plato, not the one and only God. Aristotle loved contemplating he confused his own contemplation with being god. Aristotle’s reason was, he thought, the god of all. The Pope, like all unbelievers, confuse something of their own self in being god; their pride inflates a characteristic of their own self to be superior, and thus, god. Since they do not know God, they confuse and pervert something or all of their own self in being god. It is called Idolatry.

    God took on a man’s nature understood in the one and unique Person, who is very God and very man, named Christ Jesus. He walked on the earth about 2000 years ago, died on the cross as a satisfaction for God’s justice against the elect who deserve an eternal punishment but do not because He died in our place. He rose from the dead and ascended to the right hand of God the Father to send with the Father Him, who is called the Holy Spirit, so the church (believers who worship God according to His written Word) will have the blessings merited by Christ applied to them (the church).

  2. What Popey is really saying is that since Vatican 2 has Satan taken up the vacant seat and brought hell to earth, instead; hence no more need for a hell elsewhere; in peace

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  4. Paul the apostle’s predicted great apostasy is truly begun.

    So Jesus’s death was not necessary ? and we will be in heaven with stalin
    gengis khan , pol pot , mao , son of sam , herod , pedophiles and billions more – even the devil might be there .

    Francis is a clever salesman .

    • “So Jesus’s death was not necessary ?”

      Charles, that is as spot on as spot on could ever be to the highest! Exactly! The Pope’s ‘universal brotherhood’ rejects Jesus Christ. It is pure blasphemy.

      Praise the LORD for He is good and just!

    • “Paul the apostle’s predicted great apostasy is truly begun.” .. actually 1882 ago

    • “Paul the apostle’s predicted great apostasy is truly begun.” .. actually 1882 years ago .. precisely 135 AD

      • It did start when Paul died – he said wolves would come in – but before “the man of sin” can truly manifest there has to be a complete apostasy .

  5. we’ve lost the real message of Jesus in the 4th to 8th century a.d. period, really.
    what has been left was the needed by the terrenal power (popes and byzantine emperors) religious system + institution.

  6. somewhere … Jesus says something like, that his Father’s house has many dwellings.
    and although I stayed before the gigantic doors of Heaven, because I wanted to return to Earth because I had not found the most important thing for me: love, on the other side a lot of people began to arrive, and someone closed the doors. And I know, because God Himself answered me like this after other super extraordinary events occurred then, that everyone, absolutely everyone, must go there.
    We will all have to answer before God, and I suppose that I also and that it must happen when the moment of the final judgment arrives.

    I believe in reincarnation, in fact, I know at least my life before this on Earth, through a regression, this time induced by Jesus himself, because I needed to know something very important about myself in that weather.
    … I did not remember that the woman I was seeing was me, until I started to feel that I had a connection with that woman. That was my house, and my sons and daughters were listening to me with attention although I did not understand the language that I was speaking at that time … and then, my spirit entered the body that I had then and it was confirmed that the woman who had I was watching and listening was myself. All this is already documented in detail in my books.
    I tell you what I know about dwellings, but this issue is too complex to explain in a few words. Thank God, Jesus, and his angels, I have found many answers, but also, at the cost of many years of research throughout my life and I have been on the verge of losing it many times, because Lucifer does not want the truth nor love, and with their devils, witches and those who have sold their souls, as for example, those who are in the Vatican, or neighborhood neighbors in satanic churches, try to keep reality hidden.

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  8. The apostacy began in 135 AD under the rule of Hadrian and first gentile bishop Marcus, when the Sabbath and the Law of Moses were forbidden in the new city Aelia Capitolina built on the ruins of Jerusalem .. the Messiah predicted the destruction of Jerusalem, in context He was speaking to His disciples and warning them not to be deceived, saying ‘this generation’ shall not pass til all these things take place ..

    Marcus of Jerusalem: Apostolic successor or apostate?

    The Christians in Judea were forced to make a decision. They either could continue to keep the Sabbath and the rest of God’s law and flee, or they could compromise and support a religious leader (Marcus) who would not keep the Sabbath, etc. Sadly, many who claimed Christ made the wrong choice…
    They elected Marcus for their bishop, a prelate of the race of the Gentiles, and most probably a native either of Italy or of some of the Latin provinces. At his persuasion the most considerable part of the congregation renounced the Mosaic law, in the practice of which they had persevered above a century. By this sacrifice of their habits and prejudices they purchased a free admission into the colony of Hadrian…
    When the name and honours of the church of Jerusalem had been restored to Mount Sion, the crimes of heresy and schism were imputed to the obscure remnant of the Nazarenes which refused to accompany their Latin bishop. They still preserved their former habitation of Pella, spread themselves into the villages adjacent to Damascus, and formed an inconsiderable church in the city of Bercea, or, as it is now called, of Aleppo, in Syria.

    Marcus of Jerusalem: Apostolic successor or apostate? http://www.cogwriter.com/marcus-of-jerusalem.htm

    Messiah and His disciples are referred to often as Nazarenes and Paul as a ‘leader of the sect of the Nazarenes’ .. they are referred to only once as ‘Christians’ .. The Greek word CHRISTIANOS is the origin of the word CRETIN.

    The American Heritage Illustrated Encyclopedic Dictionary tells us the etymology for the word CRETIN:

    cre-tin (kre-tin, kret’n) n. 1. One afflicted with Cretinism. 2. A fool; an idiot. [French, cretin, from Swiss French, crestin, CHRISTIAN,
    hence human being (an idiot being nonetheless human).]

    Christianity is a counterfeit Greco/Roman pagan religion, the indisputable evidence is the rejection of the Sabbath because in violating one commandment you violate them all .. Martin Luther’s Counterfeit Reformation continued the apostacy .. an authentic reformation would have restored the Sabbath and forbidden Sun-day worship and forbidden honoring pagan deities and celebrating the pagan feasts of Easter and Christmas .. making his intentions clear Luther ‘initiated’ his Counterfeit Reformation on .. 1517, October 31 (All Hallow’s Eve = Reformation Day) Martin Luther nailed his Ninety-Five Theses to door of Wittenberg Chapel.

    All Hallow’s Eve – According to Genesis 7:1, the Great Flood began on the 17th day of the 2nd month (Heshvan) of the Old Testament calendar, which is the end of October or beginning of November on the Gregorian calendar. This date falls precisely on All Hallow’s Eve which is the pagan celebration of the “Day of the Dead.” Halloween is the counterpart of the Druidic Feast of Samhain, which was held in honor of the “Lord of the Dead” (Satan) and ushered in the Druidic New Year. Halloween and the two days which follow, the Feasts of All Saints and All Souls, are ancient commemorations of the demonic race—the hybrid offspring of fallen angels—which God destroyed with the Great Flood (Genesis 6-7).

    • Mosaic law defined strictly as the ceremonial law was a type of Christ. It is not apostasy to rid the Mosaic law defined strictly; it is actually an embracement of Christ to rid the Mosaic law, for type only points to the antitype who is Christ. When the antitype had come, namely Christ, then the type no longer has to point to his coming for He came. The ceremonial law is abrogated for Christ is the completion of OT promises.

      To use etymology to define contemporary words is the cultural root fallacy. Words change. The meaning and ideas have to be demonstrated that Christian’s actually are a “fool” or “idiot”. In other words, all people, not just Christian’s can be “fool’s” or “idiot’s”, so the distinction loses all significance.

      Christianity is a religion that worships Christ Jesus as revealed in the Old and New Testaments. Pagan religions are not of the Bible, but follow their own ways. The Sabbath is not violated by Christians and easily is not “indisputable evidence”. In the New Testament, revelations of the change of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday are given. The change primarily marks the resurrection of the first-fruit who is Christ Jesus (1 Cor. 15). In John’s gospel, after the resurrection, the church worshipped on the 1st day of the week when Jesus Himself appeared to the church until His ascension thereby being the Lord of the Sabbath and in Who all worship is to given. He continues to dwell with His people through Him, the third Person of the Trinity named the Holy Spirit, or the Spirit of Christ, which the latter name from Peter’s epistle’s delineates the union of the Godhead dwelling with the church. Also, other history events are Paul’s preaching in Acts 17 on the first day, and in 1 Cor. when the church meets on the first day they are to provide offerings for the ministry of the poor. In Revelation, John was blessed with the vision of Christ Jesus on the Lord’s day, which had become the standard way of calling the first day, or the day the Lord rose from the dead, for He is the first-fruit of the new creation revealed to us 2000 years ago as to what will take place for His adopted children upon His second coming.

      Martin Luther’s thesis were against indulgences, which the Roman Catholic church had been collecting throughout the Holy Roman Empire for the building of Peter’s cathedral in Rome. Luther had also given a thesis which stated man’s justification is by faith alone, meaning, man can not work out his own salvation. That was the Reformation, for the gospel of faith alone had been in the church, but was being expelled over the centuries. The only reason Luther was not only excommunicated but sought after to be killed was because in debates with Cardinal’s sent from Rome Luther proclaimed (1) he does not follow the authority of the Pope but first the authority of Scripture, (2) Luther agreed with John Hus. Luther’s putting of the Scripture as a higher authority than the Pope is why the Pope declared a Bull against Luther and called for Luther to be killed. Luther was able to go into hiding and was protected by the local noble in a castle where Luther had the time to translate the Bible into German, so people could read it for themselves, and he also wrote many other items.

      As for the holidays, not all Christians observe holidays, and without knowing the gospel and putting Christ first any reliance upon holidays, either for them or against them, is an argument based on apples or oranges – means nothing without a firm foundation in Christ. Read Hebrews to understand the details of an apostatizing church. The epistle to the Hebrews was for a people who were backsliding into practicing the ceremonial laws of the OT, which by doing so they were wrongly declaring Christ had not come and they were to worship by the blood of bulls and goats. The practice of the Sabbath on Saturday is a rejection that Christ had come. It is a looking through the veil of Moses when the full, complete revelation of Scripture had come in the Lord Jesus Christ. By His blood are people redeemed, and the blood of goats and bulls only pointed toward the once for all sacrifice to be in Christ. He came, He accomplished, and He now applies to the church His salvation. The new covenant had been proclaimed at Christ’s coming. To go back to the OT is go back to a time before Christ came and to declare He had not come yet – when He did, which is why He is proclaimed and worshipped for He is the one and only unique Incarnation of God. No other man is united to God in the Person of Christ but Christ alone and that is how the union will remain for all eternity for those who believe in the work He accomplished in His righteous life, death on the cross, and resurrection. That is gospel that has been proclaimed, believers congregate to serve and worship Him alone, and that message has never been lost and will remain for God is not overcome by mere creatures.

  9. It is well known Martin Luther was a monk .. what is less known is that he was a Rosicrucian .. Between 1512 – 1517 there was a political struggle for power and Martin Luther funded by Jews was controlled opposition in the Hegelian Dialectic as opposing forces fought for control within the Roman Catholic Church ..


    In 1099, the Merovingian Jews in collusion with Pope Urban II, also a Merovingian, launched the First Crusade. An article titled The Merovingian Infiltration of the Christian World Through Monasticism confirms what we have long suspected, that Urban was not the first Merovingian pope, but the 6th in a succession of French Merovingian popes beginning in 999 A.D. …

    • The Merovingian Jews converted to Christianity and founded monastic orders in order to infiltrate the Roman Catholic Church.
    “The Merovingian Franks (450-741) built monasteries as a means of infiltration…for Merovingian monasteries later became Benedictine/ Cistercians… Pope Gregory the Great…promoted Benedictine monasticism. His feast day is the day he became pope, September 3 [590 AD]. This was accomplished by the infiltration of the Church, for Gregory was part of that infiltration. Sept. 3 became a day of victory for the Red Movement when he was installed as their pope, for Gregory marks the history of the papacy in that he was the very first ‘MONK’ to become a pope.” (Merovingian Infiltration of the Church Through Monasticism) …

    • Luther was an Augustinian monk of the Strict Observance in a German monastery.
    “A member of Martin Luther’s order appointed, in accordance with the ‘Rule of Saint Augustine’, to read while the other monks eat in order that the monks may focus upon their spiritual hunger for the word of God as well as their physical hunger. . .
    “Attempts to head off laxity in the Order led to the establishment of the ‘Observant’ wing to which Luther belonged by virtue of joining the Erfurt house. His fellow German Augustinians showed sympathy in 1518 with Luther’s theological stand, but in that same year his Augustinian superior, Staupitz, released him from his monk’s vows.
    “Johann von Staupitz, Vicar General of the Augustinian Order (c.1460-1524): Monk, spiritual adviser. Staupitz was the senior figure in Luther’s Augustinian Order in Germany and the leading light in the strict or ‘Observant’ wing of it. Luther frequently praised the spiritual comfort Staupitz had given him, though the older man did not join Luther’s movement.” – John Osborne, “Luther,” Royal National Theatre)


    The Rite of Strict Observance

    The Rite of Strict Observance

  10. In Luther’s own words: “No one can deny that we hold, believe, sing, and confess all things in correspondence with the old church, that we make nothing new therein nor add anything thereto, and in this way we belong to the old Church and are one with it” (Thomas M. Lindsay, A History of the Reformation, Vol. I, p. 468).

    Historian Henry C. Vedder recounts the instruction Martin Luther gave to the German princes when thousands of the peasants, who had sincerely followed his revolt against Rome, themselves rebelled against those arrogant princes:

    “Rebellion is not a vile murder, but like a great fire that kindles and devastates a country; hence uproar carries with it a land full of murder, bloodshed, makes widows and orphans, and destroys everything, like the greatest calamity. Therefore whosoever can should smite, strangle, and stab, secretly or publicly, and should remember that there is nothing more poisonous, pernicious, and devilish than a rebellious man. Just as when one must slay a mad dog; fight him not and he will fight you, and a whole country with you. “‘Let the civil power press on confidently and strike as long as it can move a muscle. For here is the advantage: the peasants have bad consciences and unlawful goods, and whenever a peasant is killed therefore he has lost body and soul, and goes forever to the devil. Civil authority, however, has a clean conscience and lawful goods, and can say to God with all security of heart:

    ‘Behold, my God, thou hast appointed me prince or lord, of that I cannot doubt, and has entrusted me with the sword against evildoers” (Romans 13:4) …. Therefore I will punish and smite as long as I can move a muscle; thou wilt judge and approve.” … Such wonderful times are these that a prince can more easily win heaven by shedding blood than others with prayers.’” (A Short History of the Baptists, pp. 173–174).

    Luther’s personal spiritual upheaval would have had little effect on Germany or the world had he not appealed to the political and financial instincts of German princes. And “it is true to say that the motives which led to the Lutheran revolt were to a large extent secular rather than spiritual” (Alfred Plummer,The Continental Reformation, p. 9).

    Especially in regard to his insistence on faith alone and his rejection of countless scriptures teaching the need for obedience, Luther was a stubborn, self-willed man.

    The Bible teaches: “Sin is the transgression of the law” (1 John 3:4,KJV ). This is clearly referring to the Ten Commandments – the spiritual law written by the very finger of God. The inspired James explains: “For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, ‘Do not commit adultery,’ also said, ‘Do not murder.’ Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty” (James 2:10–12). What
    Law forbids adultery and killing? Obviously, James is referring to the Ten Commandments.
    And he concludes by telling us to speak and act according to this law.

    • Well, this is the gospel message of Christ Jesus. It is by His Righteousness alone people are saved. Christians believe in Him, not their own self for salvation. The Ten Commandments are not the ceremonial law. First a person has to be able to understand the difference between the two, then make a clear presentation of the gospel. Of course obedience is a must. Luther himself wrote and preached the same. Yet, it is not by ones obedience we are saved. We are saved by Christ’s obedience. We do the law because we are Christian and love the law and God Himself. We do not do the law for salvation, because we are already saved by the work of Christ. So of course anything in the Scripture upholds this message of Christ and what He did, and what we, as Christians, do because we are saved. Faith alone in Christ is how we apprehend our salvation in Christ alone, and by our love, which is the obedience of the law, we do because we are saved by faith alone in Christ alone.

  11. Martin Luther a Rosicrucian antichrist

    Martin Luther’s Rosicrucian Seal
    The Rosicrucian fraternity was a philosophical secret society which inspired Masonic rites, said to have been founded in late medieval Germany by a semi–legendary 15th-century alchemist knight named Christian Rosenkreuz for adepts who wanted to reform the world. The life of Christian Rosencreutz (1378–1484) is recounted in the manifesto Fama Fraternitatis (“Declaration of Brotherhood”), which was printed in Germany in 1614.

    Martin Luther’s personal seal appeared on the third Rosicrucian Manifesto, The Chemical Wedding of Christian Rosenkreutz:

    “F.R.C. or Frater Rosae Crucis is the title awarded to advanced members of the Rosicrucian Order. This title is awarded specifically to advanced members of the AMORC or Ancient Mystical Order Rosæ Crucis. Through years of study the Rosicrucian who has progressed to this level is understood to be at the master level of understanding the teachings presented by this organization. For this reason, only those who have been formally initiated into the 10th Degree of the order are allowed to attach F.R.C. to their name.” (Wikipedia retrieved on April 24, 2015)

    Today’s Rosicrucian Society is a daughter of the Rosicrucian fraternity founded in late medieval Germany for adepts who wanted to reform the world.
    “The Societas Rosicruciana (or Rosicrucian Society) is a Rosicrucian order which limits its membership to Christian Master Masons. The order was founded in Scotland, but now exists in England, Scotland, Canada, France, Portugal, Romania, Ireland and the United States. While a prospective member must be a Trinitarian Christian Master Mason in good standing with a Grand Lodge that is recognized by the Grand Lodge of the jurisdiction in which the Society meets, the various Societies have no other Masonic links, ties, or official recognition. Additionally, in a few jurisdictions membership is by invitation only. As the Society offers assistance to all its members in working out the great problems of nature and science, it functions in some respects as a research society.” (Wikipedia retrieved on April 24, 2015)

    This 18th–century edition of a text by Hermes Trimegistus was intended for Rosicrucian audiences. This symbol combines the alchemical double ouroboros with the Masonic square and compass, the ‘as above, so below’ triangles, and with the Rosicrucian rose in the center.




    • What did Luther himself write about the rose symbol of his? Primary resources are a mark of good research, but that involves reading what people meant and trying to understand them in their own history and writings. Btw, the roses do not even look the same. Anybody can have a picture of rose, roses grow in various geographies. It is more probable that since the Rosicrucians claim to be Christian order they adopted the Luthern rose. Just like if a Christian has a symbol of a fish and yet murders babies, that does not make the person actually holding to any Christian faith and practice. Maybe they just like fish and think the symbol is cool and they are wannabes, but reject Christ and desire all the blessings He merited.

      “Both Luther and the Rosicrucians [AMORC] have written about what the emblems represent, and the explanations differ quite a bit.
      In a 1530 letter to Lazarus Spengler, Luther wrote:
      Such a heart should stand in the middle of a white rose, to show that faith gives joy, comfort, and peace. In other words, it places the believer into a white, joyous rose, for this faith does not give peace and joy like the world gives (John 14:27). That is why the rose should be white and not red, for white is the color of the spirits and the angels (cf. Matthew 28:3; John 20:12).

      Conversely, the AMORC’s website says:
      There is no religious connotation associated with this symbol; the Rose Cross symbol predates Christianity. The cross symbolically represents the human body and the rose represents the individual’s unfolding consciousness.”

      Also, the chronology does not fit. Rosicrucianism started nearly a century after Luther had died, but hey, that will not stop the speculation for some. Man’s hearts are full of sin and only Christ alone can keep mine and any other person’s heart from speculating outside of the chronology of history and the meaningful writings about their own symbols

  12. Here is a disturbing list of the words and deeds of Martin Luther:

    Luther has a low view of the books of Esther, Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelation. In his 1522 Preface to the New Testament, he calls the book of James, an “Epistle of Straw,” and the Revelation of John “in no way detect that the Holy Spirit produced it.” Luther moved Hebrews and James to join Jude and the Revelation at the end, to differentiate these from the other books which he considered God-inspired. (For full details please click here.)
    Luther calls Moses’ Ten Commandments ‘stupid’ (Wittenb. ad. 5, 1573), while Paul says the law is good and holy and righteous! (Romans 7:12) 

    Luther promotes sin (a Christian gnostic belief that the body and spirit are separate, therefore bodily sins have no effect on your salvation!). Luther says: “Be a sinner, and let your sins be strong, but let your trust in Christ be stronger, and rejoice in Christ who is the victor over sin, death, and the world.  We will commit sins while we are here, for this life is not a place where justice resides…  No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day.” (Let Your Sins Be Strong, from ‘The Wittenberg Project;’  ‘The Wartburg Segment’, translated by Erika Flores, from Dr. Martin Luther’s Saemmtliche Schriften, Letter No. 99, 1 Aug. 1521)…

    Martin Luther’s dragon mouth calls Jesus Christ an adulterer:

    No. 1472: Christ Reproached as Adulterer Between April 7 and May 1, 1532
    [Martin Luther said,] “Christ was an adulterer for the first time with the woman at the well, for it was said, ‘Nobody knows what he’s doing with her.’ Again with Magdalene, and still again with the adulterous woman whom he let off so easily. So the good Christ had to become an adulterer before he died.”
    – Luther’s Table Talk, Luther’s Works, American Edition, Volume 54, page 154, Concordia Publishing House, St. Louis, MO. 63118

    Luther was not the first, but by far the greatest translator of the German Bible, and is as inseparably connected with it as Jerome is with the Latin Vulgate. He threw the older translation into the shade and out of use, and has not been surpassed or even equaled by a successor. There are more accurate versions for scholars (as those of De Wette and Weizsäcker), but none that can rival Luther’s for popular authority and use. (http://www.bible-researcher.com/luther02.html
    Luther’s Masonic Rosicrucian errors in Bible were carried forward to Tyndale’s translation, the Geneva Bible, and King James Bible.


    • Yet most protestants dont know this . The letter of James is in direct confrontation with Luther since it is works as well as faith or James says you are a faker . Give one of your two coats to the one with no coat and feed the hungry etc. No wonder Martin did not like it .

      • Nazarene Christianity: Were the Original Christians Nazarenes? Should Christians be Nazarenes today?


        • Looks like ” deadly Galatianism ” which is on the rise.

        • Ebionitism (and later Socinianism and Unitarianism) the claimed Christology of Saudi Arabia’s Islam; the circumcisers of Judaism who tried to impose themselves as the different gospel, which is no gospel at all (Galatians 1).



        • If a person claims another person is using a word, any word, with a certain meaning, then the claim had to demonstrate the meaning in which the word is being used. They take the word from its’ original context and decipher using elementary rules of English grammar. If the person thinks a deer is eating leaves means the deer is leaving and going into another field and the deer is eating his own leaving into another field, then obviously the person is not able to construct anything meaningful to communicate about a leaf on a tree and how the deer ate it. If the person can not figure out the meaning of the deer eating leaves on a tree, because they are tied up in etymology, then nothing meaningful is communicated. Others can read what they are writing, but it fails to communicate any social reality, which writing words usually is intended for. It is easier to know the deer ate the leaves that were on a tree instead of tracing back the etymology of the word “leaf” and thinking the deer was eating a skull because everybody of Czech descent knows the root of leaf is skull. And the Czech’s are right, everybody knows that.

        • Interesting discussion on “cretin” etymology. The discussion is depthful:


    • Yes, Luther did not like the book of James because he was very concerned about faith alone which is very clear in the Pauline epistles. But James and Paul are writing about two different things, and Luther had a hard time making the distinction. It was the Roman Catholic church that falsely told people they had to work of their own salvation by doing what the Pope told them. Luther was against the RC church for putting themselves above God Himself in HIs written Word. By the Council of Trent, the Roman Catholic church made it a heresy worthy of death for anybody to believe Christ saved them, instead of the person saving themselves by following the RC church sacramental system, which includes working out their salvation in the fantasy land of purgatory.

      Without understanding the gospel in how by Christ alone we are saved, then it is merely a house built on sand failing to eternal punishment. Christ alone is the Savior.

  13. Rosicrucians and Freemasons

    The House of Stuart

    Seal of Martin Luther
    The Habsburg realm became internally divided when the German princes of the Empire had largely supported the Protestant movement against the Catholic Church, which was ostensibly defended by the Habsburg rulers. The rising tide of the Protestant movement came to a head in Bohemia, where the Kabbalistic underground surfaced in the manner of the Order of the Rosicrucians, otherwise known as the Order of the Rosy Cross. The ultimate aim of the Order was that of abolishing the Church, and replacing it with a government of “wise” rulers. As explained by occult historian Laurence Gardner:
    It was by no chance that Martin Luther’s protest gained support in some very influential circles, for Rome had many enemies in high places. Not the least of these enemies were the Knights Templars, and the underground Hermetic societies whose esoteric crafts had been condemned by the Catholic Inquisition. The truth was not so much that Luther gained the support of others, but that he was the willing instrument of an already active movement which endeavored to dismantle the rigid international domination of the Pope.


    • Oh well, Luther had friends in high places. The world is fallen. Politicians desire power. They will use secret societies and anything else to win for their own self. But Luther does not save anybody. The Habsburgs do not save anybody. To focus on man to do anything good to “save the world” and to point out how bad everybody is does not solve anything. Of course people are bad, and they have bad friends. But is the person pointing others to Christ as our God and Savior – I will listen to his message, because it is not about the person saying the message. It is about the message which is about the Person named Christ Jesus. That message saves, because He saves.

  14. MARTIN LUTHER .. 9 Quotes

    Did the “great” Martin Luther, the rebel against Catholic oppression, stand with the Anabaptists? Did he support the Peasant’s Rebellion that, inspired by him, rose up against royal and state tyranny? No! He did not. He condemned their actions and cursed them each and all. In doing so he showed his colors. He showed the world that he was a nothing more than a paid stooge of the Vatican, funded to fashion what appeared to be a more human religion in order to offset world wide revolution. The new religion of this Luther, and of his protégés Calvin, Knox, and Wesley, was a throw-back to the sadism and irrationality of the Old Testament. It posed no threat whatsoever to the executive of the Vatican. Had it done so, it would have been eradicated overnight. The Vatican had nothing to worry about, and neither did the monarchs and princes of the world. This “Protestantism” was a perfect police-state religion, instructing its followers to be servile and obedient to authority. The tyrants of religion were in perfect accord with the tyrants of politics.
    Michael Tsarion / The Irish Origins of Civilization, Volume 1

    It was the wish of Martin Luther that the Book of Revelation should be omitted from his translation of the Bible. In his opinion, the Apocalypse was of pagan origin, and was not a writing of the beloved John.
    Manly P Hall / How to Understand Your Bible

    Martin Luther, for example, was influenced by sinister people, some who were Freemasons, for purely political reasons to divide the power of the church. And when you see the church in this context, as apolitical movement continually playing a part in the bigger picture, then you can understand why religion and government are one and the same.
    Jordan Maxwell / Matrix of Power

    It was a time of great conflict and upheaval as the Brotherhood sought to use the church as a vehicle for widespread war and chaos. One of their frontmen for this was Martin Luther, a product of German secret societies and a Rosicrucian. His personal seal was a rose and cross. In 1517, this professor of theology at Wittenberg University listed 95 complaints against the Vatican for selling pardons to raise money to build St Peter’s Church. Luther was excommunicated, but he burned the decree along with copies of Roman Church law and launched his own Lutheran Church.
    David Icke / The Biggest Secret

    What harm would it do, if a man told a good strong lie for the sake of the good and for the Christian church … a lie out of necessity, a useful lie, a helpful lie, such lies would not be against God, he would accept them.
    Martin Luther / Cited by his secretary, in a letter in Max Lenz, ed., Briefwechsel Landgraf Phillips des Grossmuthigen von Hessen mit Bucer, vol. 1


    • Martin Luther, for example, was influenced by sinister people, some who were Freemasons, for purely political reasons to divide the power of the church. And when you see the church in this context, as apolitical movement continually playing a part in the bigger picture, then you can understand why religion and government are one and the same.

      • Ferdinand Christian Baur

        Ferdinand Christian Baur (21 June 1792 – 2 December 1860) was a German Protestant theologian and founder and leader of the (new) Tübingen School of theology (named for the University of Tübingen where Baur studied and taught). Following Hegel’s theory of dialectic, Baur argued that second century Christianity represented the synthesis of two opposing theses: Jewish Christianity (Petrine Christianity) and Gentile Christianity (Pauline Christianity). This and the rest of Baur’s work had a profound impact upon higher criticism of biblical and related texts.


        • Baur believed the Bible had no supernatural elements and He did not believe it was the infallible Word of God. So Baur is not a Christian, so of course he will argue against the Bible and anything Christian.

      • post 313 a.d. and mostly post Concilium of Nicea 325 a.d.
        from the 4th till the 8th century the church “purged” the christian dogma of most of the authentic and possibly dangerous for the terrenal power elements of the teachings of Jesus.

    • And the Peasants were killing people, too. Should Luther have stepped in and sided with the Peasants? I do not know, because he did not. But do we need a government. Of course we do, and going around killing people just because a person does not like them gets nobody anywhere.

      To focus on man and thinking the message of Jesus is “we can be like him” is to think one can be God. Only Jesus Christ is united to the Godhead because Jesus is God. Man on the other hand is not united to the Godhead the way Jesus is, because man is not God.

      The Pope thinks he is above God. Some people think the message of Jesus is do what Jesus did. They are all little popes trying to be little gods when there is only one true and living God. They go to hell and fail in the end; meanwhile they are lost and ruining the world because they do not worship God and devote their lives to Him. Praise God He is good and just and the wicked go to hell and those Christ saved go to heaven. That is the reality of it nobody what anybody says, did, what kind of friends they had, who they slept with, and what kind of food they ate last night.

      That is why I love Him and He is praised for He is good and full of mercy and very kind, but some people refuse kindness and love. Oh well. God is good.

  15. Seek,
    In Oct 2015 you posted “THE MYSTERY OF POPE FRANCIS: WAS THERE A VATICAN COUP?” at the time I commented that I suspected Pope Francis had taken the name of Sabbatean Jacob Frank .. as I continue to research, it is becoming clear the seeds of the Counterfeit Reformation were planted during the Inquisition .. just as Herzel’s .. “sacrifices are necessary” .. orchestrated persecution of Jews created Israel .. just as 125 BC when John Hyrcanus forcibly circumcised the Edomites incorporating them into the Tribe of Judah allowing Edomite Herod to eventually become king and infiltrate and dominate the priesthood .. the Inquisition forced Jews to either convert to Catholicism or face death .. many fled and many died but many converted and remained Crypto Jews eventually infiltrating positions of power thus seeding the Counterfeit Reformation .. the extent to which the Jews have been successful in assuming control of the Vatican is incredible .. Francis in abolishing hell would then be in agreement with Sabbatai Zevi’s doctrine of Redemption by Sin .. I have no doubt the Counterfeit Reformation was orchestrated by the Jews and only a cretin would think otherwise .. Luther rode the Beast .. inseminated the Whore and fathered the Daughters of the Whore of Babylon ..

    The Holy Roman Empire
    Enter Giovanni de Medici as Pope Leo X,
    also Merovingians William St. Clair and Mary de Guise

    In the early 16th century, Pope Leo X, formerly Giovanni de Medici of the Jewish House of Medici, bankrupted the Vatican with an extravagant remodeling program. To make up the deficit, Leo launched an empire-wide campaign for the selling of indulgences. This particular papal abuse was the final straw that triggered the Protestant Reformation… which may have been the plan from the start: …

    By means of covert operations, the Merovingian dynasty has always managed to keep their opposition divided and ineffective. William St. Clair and Mary de Guise, who lived during the Reformation period, apparently knew this little secret and, as high-born Merovingian Jews, were skilled in deploying their agents provocateurs: …

    “Infiltrate, divide and conquer” has been the strategy of the Merovingian Jews in their two thousand year crusade to destroy the Christian religion. Infiltrate the Christian Church, rise to the clergy, divide the Church with schisms, and commit such heinous and criminal acts in the name of Jesus Christ that will nullify the Christian witness to the world. The modus operandi of the International Jew was fully laid out in the “Protocols of the Learned Elders of Sion”:
    “We have long past taken care to discredit the priesthood of the goyim, and thereby to ruin their mission on earth, which in these days might still be a great hindrance to us. Day by day its influence on the peoples of the world is falling lower. Freedom of conscience has been declared everywhere, so that now only years divide us from the moment of the complete wrecking of that Christian religion. As to other religions, we shall have still less difficulty in dealing with them, but it would be premature to speak of this now. We shall set clericalism and clericals into such narrow frames as to make their influence move in retrogressive proportion to its former progress.
    “When the time comes finally to destroy the papal court the finger of an invisible hand will point the nations towards this court. When, however, the nations fling themselves upon it, we shall come forward in the guise of its defenders as if to save excessive bloodshed. By this diversion we shall penetrate to its very bowels and be sure we shall never come out again until we have gnawed through the entire strength of this place.
    “The King of the Jews will be the real Pope of the Universe, the patriarch of an international Church.
    “But, in the meantime, while we are re-educating youth in new traditional religions and afterwards in ours, we shall not overtly lay a finger on existing churches, but we shall fight against them by criticism calculated to produce schism….
    “In general, then, our contemporary press will continue to criticise State affairs, religions, incapacities of the goyim, always using the most unprincipled expressions in order by every means to lower their prestige in the manner which can only be practised by the genius of our gifted tribe.” (Protocol 17)

    Surely the Roman Catholic Church is an apostate form of Christianity, but few understand just how the early Church evolved into this harlot religion. Although Catholic Church is denounced by the Jews as a Gentile institution, the evidence of history reveals that the Jews infiltrated the Roman Church in the first century and that it was this Jewish presence in its leadership which Judaized the Church and led to establishment of the Roman Catholic Church of the 4th century. It is impossible to understand the Roman Catholic Church without knowledge of the “marrano” phenomenon — the massive infiltration of the Church by false Jewish converts, which burgeoned in the Middle Ages and has continued undetected to the present day.



    • we know he chose the name for a reason..nothing is by chance..

      Surely the Roman Catholic Church is an apostate form of Christianity, but few understand just how the early Church evolved into this harlot religion. Although Catholic Church is denounced by the Jews as a Gentile institution, the evidence of history reveals that the Jews infiltrated the Roman Church in the first century and that it was this Jewish presence in its leadership which Judaized the Church and led to establishment of the Roman Catholic Church of the 4th century. It is impossible to understand the Roman Catholic Church without knowledge of the “marrano” phenomenon — the massive infiltration of the Church by false Jewish converts, which burgeoned in the Middle Ages and has continued undetected to the present day.

      • my only disagreement with the above statement is that Christianity is an apostate form of the teachings and practice of the Messiah and the apostles .. the roots of Christianity go back to the Hellenist Jews in Alexandria

        • ” the roots of Christianity go back to the Hellenist Jews in Alexandria”

          what do you mena by that, Rev? thanks.

          • Ancient Period
            Jews settled in Alexandria at the beginning of the third century B.C.E. (according to Josephus, already in the time of Alexander the Great). At first they dwelt in the eastern sector of the city, near the sea; but during the Roman era, two of its five quarters (particularly the fourth (= “Delta”) quarter) were inhabited by Jews, and synagogues existed in every part of the city …

            Alexandrians in Jerusalem
            During the period of the Second Temple the Jews of Alexandria were represented in Jerusalem by a sizable community. References to this community, while not numerous, can be divided into two distinct categories: (1) The Alexandrian community as a separate congregation. According to Acts 6:9, the apostles in Jerusalem were opposed by “certain of the synagogue, which is called
            the synagogue of the Libertines and Cyrenians and Alexandrians, and of them of Cilicia and of Asia.”

            In Acts 6:1 they are referred to as Hellenist Jews .. ‘Now at this time while the disciples were increasing in number, a complaint arose on the part of the Hellenistic Jews against the native Hebrews, because their widows were being overlooked in the daily serving of food.’ ..

            this somewhat obscure verse reveals the fact that there were two opposing factions whose history is recorded in the Book of Maccabees when the Hellenistic Jews embraced the rule of Antiochus and participated in sacrificing a pig on the altar resulting in the revolt of the Maccabees and civil war .. the Hellenist Jews also embraced the Romans and are those who chose to follow the apostate bishop Marcus under Hadrian in 135 AD ..

            Marcus of Jerusalem: Apostolic successor or apostate?


            The Catechetical School of Alexandria, Egypt and the “church fathers” who were trained and taught there, developed what ultimately became Christianity, and later Roman Universalism, Catholicism. What these early church fathers of Alexandria wrote about a certain “sect”, the Natsarim, may be of interest to those who want to trace back to the roots of their beliefs. Many of these early Christians were former sun-worshippers that adopted a belief in the Mashiak (Messiah) of Yisrael, Yahusha. (see etymology of word cretin). They worked predominantly with Greek texts, yet from reading their Greek letters, we quickly discern that they despised the “Natsarim”, whose existence seemed to threaten their teachings. One of these church fathers’ indicated that these Natsarim possessed the writings of MattithYahu (Matthew), and stated that they were in Hebrew letters, as they had been originally written. These facts, and more to follow, clearly contradict what many people today have been led to believe about the original followers of Yahusha.
            Due to the church fathers, the Hebrew/Israelite roots of the faith were suppressed, and only the Greek roots were developed.

            ORIGEN of ALEXANDRIA taught at THE CATECHETICAL SCHOOL OF ALEXANDRIA. He succeeded Clement as head of the school
            Modern seminaries (seed-plots) promote the teachings of the “church fathers”, the Greek and Egyptian men that sought to eliminate the former Natsarim. The Natsarim were spoken against by those in authority in the days of Shaul (Paul):
            “And we think it right to hear from you what you think, for indeed, concerning this sect, we know that it is spoken against everywhere.” (ACT 28:22).
            This sect, the NATSARIM, was suppressed by the early church fathers, and by the developing hierarchy at the earliest formal school of Christianity,


    • You have probably seen what Gen Cornwallis said to George already

      “Jonathan Williams recorded in his “LEGIONS OF SATAN,” 1781, that Cornwallis revealed to Washington that “a holy war will now begin on America, and when it is ended America will be supposedly the citadel of freedom, but her millions will unknowingly be loyal subjects to the Crown.”

      Cornwallis went on to explain what would seem a contradiction:

      “Your churches will be used to teach the Jew’s religion and in less than two hundred years the whole nation will be working for divine world government. That government that they believe to be divine will be the British Empire. All religions will be permeated with Judaism without even being noticed by the masses, and they will all be under the invisible all-seeing eye of the Grand Architect of Freemasonry.”

      And indeed George Washington himself was a Mason, and he gave back through a false religion what he had won with his army.

      “Cornwallis well knew that his military defeat was only the beginning of world catastrophe that would be universal and that unrest would continue until mind control could be accomplished through a false religion. What he predicted has come to pass. A brief sketch of American religious history and we have seen Masonry infused into every church in America with their veiled Phallic religion.

    • “the massive infiltration of the Church by false Jewish converts, which burgeoned in the Middle Ages and has continued undetected to the present day.”

      It had been detected for centuries. It is called apostasy. Apostasy is understood to be back to Judaism, which is broad paganism. It is not a new concept. Jews have been trying to infiltrate the church and their false teachings of going back to circumcision and the Temple system is not new. It is the Galatian heresy. It had been written about in Acts and especially Hebrews, but really all through Scripture. It was written about in the Old Testament when God’s people would fall away from Him, He sent prophets to instruct the apostates and provide comfort to believers. It is not strictly a New Testament phenomena.

      It is why the Pharisees and Sadducees said their father was Abraham and Jesus said Abraham was not their father, for if Abraham was their father they would believe in Him; so, Jesus tells them their father is Satan. Not by sexual relations, but a spiritual, salvific relationship, or ill-relationship depending on if one is a believer or not. It is why the Christology of pagans, Judaism, and Islam are the same. They do not know the gospel of Christ. They do not know who He is. They search endlessly because they do not have the witness of the Holy Spirit illuminating God’s now written Word in their life and practice. So they go on sinning, which means they are against God and do not worship Him in His church. They do not praise and glorify Christ, but only their own self.

      It is why Hinduism and Shintoism are apostate churches of Christianity. From the time of Adam and Eve, people left the church and followed their own ways. Yet a remnant of their once being in the church may still be glimpsed as many cultures do sacrifices, know of a world wide flood, and have an idea of something dying and coming back again. Yet they do not have the true knowledge and commitment of what all of that means, because they are apostates. They carry practices of the church, but have no true meaning as to why and what it is they do.

      It is why the seed of the woman in Genesis 3:15 is the promise of the Messiah and His salvation of His people. It is why because God had decreed that He Himself would be in union with a human nature in a once only unique way to save His people. He decreed His salvation plan and Person of Christ from before the world was even created, 1 Peter 1:20, “20 [Christ] indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you 21 who through Him believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.”

      All of creation revolves already around the focal point of Jesus Christ, and glorifies His love and justice looking forward to the return of Christ.

      Romans 8:21-23, “21that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God. 22We know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until the present time. 23Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.”

  16. MEDICI

  17. Disclaimer: this article was written by an unknown author who is obviously a Roman Catholic. When we found it on the Internet, no author’s name, contact information or date of publication were given. The article was subsequently removed from the Internet or we would have linked to it instead of reprinting it.  Here we have posted only those portions of the article which add to understanding of the Merovingian conspiracy. Any references to the author’s devotion to the “Blessed Virgin Mary” are based on the false doctrine of the Catholic Church and not on the Word of God.  “Blessed Virgin Mary” gave several false prophecies, most of which we have omitted, and this may be the reason the author pulled the article. False Marian prophecies aside, the information on the Merovingian conspiracy is corroborated by our own research and fills in many of the blanks. It is a most informative read.  
    The Merovingian Infiltration of the Christian World Through Monasticism


  18. Secrets of Herods Reign

  19. Four part series ..

    • Thanks Rev17, very good videos and excellent information you posted. I had come to the conclusion a few years ago, that all organized re-legions are simply tools of a small cabal of families who staked ‘claim’ to the title of holy ‘ones’ chosen by ‘God’ to rule and control the world.
      Whether it be the pope, or the rabbis, their goal is the same.

      The Reformation being fake, something I’ve never thought about in that way, but it makes sense, it simply created another religion to satisfy the people who were discontented or questioning the crimes of the Catholic Church. Like our own government, there may be two parties, but both serve the same master. Re-legion is the same – an illusion of choice, free will to decide which group of ‘MEN’ you allow to rule over you by the laws of their church, not the Divine Creator’s law which was very simply to Love One Another.

      Certainly none of the three Abrahamic religions can say they are ‘God’s’ people when they continue to Kill and Steal in the name of the Father.

      MOB RULE by some very brilliant, but evil men.

      THIS is where I agree with Maria, the ‘divine spark’ or whatever you want to call the Spirit of the Creator Father, who is Goodness and Love, is only found within us.

      • The commandments are to love God and one’s neighbour and thus do them no harm. This is the life that God in the flesh – Jesus – practiced.

        He gave His life unselfishly and owned nothing. Many other Christians did this and are still behaving in an unselfish manner . Jesus predicted that the church rulers will lord it over the believers – but not all did and they sacrificed themselves for the good of all.

        There can only be one truth and this is the Christ who can be found in His “word” alone and this word we must keep to show our gratitude and love for Him. “He that loves me will keep the commandments ” .

        Only God is good – Jesus said – so outside of God there can be no goodness
        – people can try to be good but without Jesus they will ultimately fail since God’s holy standard is so high .
        The concept of “good” came from God only since He created us and gave us the conscience which we trample on in our worldly lives.

        Most people including me do not practice what we preach so it is a continual struggle between the “flesh” and the “spirit” .

      • intriguedbyr, “Re-legion is the same – an illusion of choice, free will to decide which group of ‘MEN’ you allow to rule over you by the laws of their church, not the Divine Creator’s law which was very simply to Love One Another.
        Certainly none of the three Abrahamic religions can say they are ‘God’s’ people when they continue to Kill and Steal in the name of the Father.
        MOB RULE by some very brilliant, but evil men.
        THIS is where I agree with Maria, the ‘divine spark’ or whatever you want to call the Spirit of the Creator Father, who is Goodness and Love, is only found within us.”

        Even people who follow what is “only found within” continue to not follow God’s law which is to “simply love one another”. Certainly none of the people outside or inside of the three Abrahamic religions can say they are “God’s people” when they continue to kill and steal in the name of their god and do not believe in Jesus Christ. Pagan religions just serve the local master, or guru accepting what eases their own conscience. There is the illusion of free will or choice of saving oneself by allowing whatever guru comes along to tickle their ear and comfort their despair instead of having the faith to rest on the accomplished work of Christ Jesus in Him being the Savior.

        Only God is good.

      • “all organized re-legions are simply tools”

        Just because something is “organized” does not mean it is bad. We want our household to be in order (organized); does not make it bad. We want the economy organized, i.e. it is great when I can buy food at the store or from the local farmer. I want education to organized, i.e. it is wonderful when my children learn instead of having disorganized bits and pieces of data thrown at them. I also want order in the church, i.e. chaos in the church is not good. Organization is not the deciding factor for me; in fact, it only makes it better to be organized instead of in disarray.

        • Yes – Hell is disorganised – a mess – asymmetrical – no beauty – no love
          – hatred – anger .

        • During the time of Christ on earth, ‘organized religion’ was representative of the Pharisees and Sadducees, and He constantly confronted them about their false teaching and hypocritical lifestyles.
          These false teachers have added to and taken away from what we are TOLD is the word of ‘God’ on numerous occasions to suit themselves, and certainly not to give honor or glory to the Creator.

          Personally, I do not wish to partake of the system put in place by those who conduct war, starvation and other crimes against humanity, while lying to the people by claiming they are the chosen ‘ones’ of the Creator, or by those claiming to BE the representative Creator on earth who rules over ALL – Catholic ( UNIVERSAL) Re-legion, Chabad Lubativch Judaism, and Radical Islam, because in fact, those groups are run by the same synagogue of Satan.
          ( Get out of her, my people!)

          If everyone showed respect and love toward one another, there is no need for organized religion because all of the commandments would be met, because breaking any one of them would not be very loving… but this is not a perfect world, in fact, this world is currently ruled under a system of greed, murder, lies and corruption… by those who can’t possibly have LOVE within, or it would be impossible for them to do the things they do, yet they are politically involved in the evil of this world and pretend to be holy men, these hypocrites do these things in the name of the LORD. Just WHO is their LORD?

          These are the men who give us the interpretations of the bible.
          These are the men who stake claim to owning the world.
          These are the men who start and end every war on earth for
          generations for their own prophet – not a sp error!

          I respect you wildy because I know you’re a good person. I have no quarrel with your personal beliefs, I was a Catholic, and then a Christian most of my life. Today, I feel I have learned enough to know that those organizations are fake and only serve themselves and I don’t need to be a part of anything like that in order to KNOW there is a loving being much greater than any of us can imagine. Maybe that’s what we are here to learn, I don’t know, and doubt very many can say for a fact, they know either.

          We’re all searching for the truth and what is, in our eyes, righteous, but I have a hard time defending a system that is currently planning to destroy or RE-FORM all re-legions to make ONE UNIVERSAL RELIGION where ALL will be expected to be a part of it or be killed! THAT is not Godly, nor Loving, nor Humane, in any sense of the meanings of those words, and so I cannot defend these deceptive organizations and their minions behind the pulpit or altar who are knowingly, busy fighting for the control of the rest of us.

          I do not trust, nor believe them because they have already proven themselves to be ungodly men, which in My opinion, makes their organizations tainted and ungodly as well. I don’t need any ‘man’ to tell me what is right or wrong because deep inside my being, I already KNOW what is wrong, some call it a conscience, that inner voice that tells you it’s wrong, and just WHO would have put that voice inside of us? Satan? Or is it the ‘spark’, or the ‘spirit’ of the Divine Creator?

          This system will fail, in ‘God’s’ time, not ours, and all we can do is show love to one another, to help those in need, and to be good people ourselves while we sort out and ORGANIZE our own lives and our faith in KNOWING there is something greater than all of us and to seek Communion with this spirit of Love that some of us KNOW, not believe, exists in the Creator, and not in the system of men. If I have to die in order to reject being forced into an evil system, than so be it.

          • During the time of Christ on earth, ‘organized religion’ was representative of the Pharisees and Sadducees, and He constantly confronted them about their false teaching and hypocritical lifestyles.

          • intrigued, “If everyone showed respect and love toward one another”

            Correct. “If”. But people do not.

            intrigued, “Personally, I do not wish to partake of the system put in place by those who conduct war, starvation and other crimes against humanity, while lying to the people by claiming they are the chosen ‘ones’ of the Creator”

            Of course, personally who would embrace evil. Even people who conduct war, starvation, etc. convince themselves these things are for the betterment of humanity and life on earth. They have good intentions, undoubtedly they would claim. They are only listening to their “inner voice” and conscience.

            intrigued, “Today, I feel I have learned enough to know that those organizations are fake and only serve themselves”

            Of course there are people who are fake and only serve themselves. That is to be expected in this world.

            intrigued, “I have a hard time defending a system that is currently planning to destroy or RE-FORM all re-legions to make ONE UNIVERSAL RELIGION where ALL will be expected to be a part of it or be killed! THAT is not Godly, nor Loving, nor Humane,”

            Of course that is not godly, nor loving, nor humane.

            intrigued, “I don’t need any ‘man’ to tell me what is right or wrong because deep inside my being, I already KNOW what is wrong, some call it a conscience, that inner voice that tells you it’s wrong, and just WHO would have put that voice inside of us? Satan? Or is it the ‘spark’, or the ‘spirit’ of the Divine Creator?”

            Who put the voice inside of us? Depends on your character and what you know; thus, what you believe and get your understanding from.

            intrigued, “This system will fail, in ‘God’s’ time, not ours, and all we can do is show love to one another,”

            Yes, people know they need to show love to one another, and that they should be, but they do not. Is it not obviously? Look at the world around us, and within us. I know I am not perfect – I am not God.

            intrigued, “exists in the Creator, and not in the system of men.”

            Who do you claim the Creator is? People are chalk full of opinions on that topic.

            I still want an organized church, not a disorganized mess which only involves corruption. The better question is “What kind of organized church?” Or what kind of organized household? Or what kind of organized economic system? I think these types of questions might lead to more accurate answers.

      • Unfortunately there are those in the guise of preaching are under the delusion they are on a mission from God .. their intent and purpose is raping the hearts and minds of innocent victims .. claiming they alone are the authority on what you are permitted to think and believe .. I have witnessed the destruction of entire families by these self-righteous narcissists, incapable of remorse as they place blame on their abused victims .. so I agree with you, all organized religions are a Beast system designed to enslave, use and abuse their victims

        • Exactly Rev17!

        • Of course who would not like a person that acts that way. It takes hardly any thought to be appalled by such actions. Again though, “organized” in and of itself is not “beast system”. Organized in and of itself is law, order, forgiveness, and love. Chaos is a beast system. Additionally qualifiers and characterizations make for more precise communications of understandings.

        • Just because somebody holds an office and commands authority does not mean they are necessarily bad strictly because of office, authority, and organization.

          a. Jesus holds the office of king and commands with authority in an organization, not out of chaos.
          b. Jesus holds the office of high priest and intercedes on behalf of people in an organized, understandable manner.
          c. Jesus holds the office of prophet and illuminates people in their body as well as in their soul maturing in holiness so that people truly know and understand His Word about His earthly ministry, blood on the cross, resurrection, and session, and His return again.

          • Should read: “Jesus holds the office of prophet and illuminates people in their body as well as in their soul to mature in holiness for people to truly know, understand, and practice the life He is saving them into. All due to what He, being very God and very man, uniquely accomplished in His earthly ministry, blood on the cross, resurrection, session, and His return again.”

  20. Among all the commentators of this entry, can anyone tell us a direct experience with Jesus?
    It would be very instructional for the rest of readers.
    When Jesus connects with us it is to show us the way that by ourselves, and amid so much disorienting verbiage, we have not just seen clearly. These contacts with Jesus, those experiences, are instructive and enriching.
    If the followers of Jesus had not told anything of what they saw and lived, we would have only the clever ones who create religions to be themselves worshiped, even in the name of Jesus, or of God the Creator, the one who lives in Heaven and is Personal, as each of us have our own personality.
    Many have lost their lives to openly follow the path of Jesus, but without the truth, life has no meaning. although some prefer the short and wide path under the dark and threatening shadow of lucifer.
    we choose, before coming here, to Earth, and while we are here.

    • Jesus earthly ministry was 2000 years ago. The direct experience with Jesus now, since He sits at the right hand of the Father, is by faith. Jesus had accomplished His saving work, and He now applies His merited work of salvation to His church, who are His people, by giving the church faith and other saving graces. Christ is now applying His salvation work in His people by giving them a faith to believe in Him. This direct experience with Jesus continues until believers are fully saved from their own sin, which happens upon His second coming, or at death believers get to experience the bliss of God until He does return again and then they are reunited with their bodies to live forever in a world without sin, suffering, and death. By believing in Him and all that He did, then people are saved to live forever. Unbelievers go to hell because they hate God and do not want to have anything to do with God, so God gives them what they want which is eternal turmoil away from the love and life given by God. Believers know this because God had revealed this plan of salvation by what is called the Bible. The Bible is about how God will save people from their own destruct, unbelieving self by the Person of Jesus Christ. Yet some do not believe the loving and holy God and so they will forever reject Him in their own eternal torment away from who is good and loving namely God.

      • The Bible helped me too, but it did not solve all the unknowns I had. The Bible aside from having very interesting literature and valuable data, especially helped me as a telephone directory does, I had to call specific numbers to find those answers that I did not find written in the Bible … and nowhere else . But also, through life, I met people on Earth who interacted with me, and from that, a series of consequences resulted, as I also met beings from Heaven, on Earth, who contributed to discover, who I am , where I come from and what I am here for, and they also helped me to maintain hope in the midst of a bleak panorama. And God Himself, help in Heaven, and if He has to act on Earth He also does it. I think God has seen too many devils around me since I was a child, and he intervened … And enough people saw what happened. And also, God helped my spirit to be strengthened when they threw me into the NOTHING, so that my earthly body could also do it, if it had not been like that, I would no longer call myself, María del Rosario …

        • We all go through terrible sufferings. Despair is a tragic consequence of sin; we have all experienced great sadness. It is good you can still call yourself Maria del Rosario.

          There are people in my life who are an encouragement in the hope of Christ. The Bible would have no meaning and no existence without the earthly ministry, death, resurrection, and session of the Person of Jesus Christ. The only way to know about Him is in the Bible. The only way He works in a persons life is by the Holy Spirit illuminating His written Word into the life of the person to mature the person in holiness and joy. The Holy Spirit is effective in making the Word of God a blessing in the life of a person due to the once and for all time accomplished work in the death and resurrection of Christ. Without the Holy Spirit, the work of Christ is not made effective in the life of a person. Such a person is unsatisfied and discontent with the new life offered to them in the salvific work of Jesus as revealed in God’s written Word (the Bible), and so, such a person decides to look in other places for their needs.

          • Jesus Wants to Teach You Himself
            Come to me, .. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me; ..
            Mat 11:28-29

            However when the Spirit of truth comes,
            he will guide you into all truth.
            .. and he will show you things to come. John 16:13-14

            But the Comforter, who is the Holy Spirit
            and whom the Father will send in my name,
            will teach you all things. John 14:26

            The bible is the recorded words of the disciples of Christ as they were given to them. To be used as a guide for the rest of us, who must find Christ on our own. Reading scriptures is helpful, but that is not what we are expected to do.

            Christ is the Light that enlightens all men, John 1:9.

            By being quiet and thinking on his name, you can hear him —you can hear the LIVING Word of God, Christ.

            CHRIST is the WORD of God, not the bible.

            • The Bible records the very Word of God who spoke to the prophets of the Old Testament era and that same Word of God being God took on flesh. The Old Testament records of God’s promised coming salvation work, and around 2000 years ago, He accomplished salvation by His earthly ministry, death, and resurrection was recorded in what is called the Bible. He now sits on the throne in heaven to return again to complete His new creation. Only one unique salvific death and resurrection, because there is only one God.

          • I do not understand very well what you mean, but the Bible does not tell everything, because if everything were told there, the whole truth would be necessary, people would not be so disoriented and would understand the world in which they live, and how we have arrived at the situation that we have. and of course, everyone would be aware that the devils of lucifer live among us, controlling everything, and every day has more followers. Many do what the devils order them, because they like money, or lust, or power or everything together, and to achieve their goals, they need victims, innocent people, even without any sin, to fulfill their goal
            being perfect on Earth is very difficult, we all make mistakes, but evil, good people do not do it, bad people do it consciously.
            Jesus was killed on a cross, and many people were involved in that public murder; and he rose again, and he walked the Earth, and then he ascended to Heaven, but I know. that Jesus and the Father do many things more than sitting side by side … besides, they are not alone doing everything, there are also angels, and also, each one of us must fulfill his role. I do not know, to which each one has come here, but to know it, it is very important to develop our life, for that reason, Lucifer and his followers do not want us to discover it, they want us ignorant, and they use the most twisted means that a person of well can not imagine. not all of us come here because we have sins, thank God, there are people who come to help, even if they have to suffer, but we must pay close attention so as not to confuse the good with the bad, the victim with the criminal, the minions of lucifer they are trained in deception.
            in the Bible we also have the apocalypse … the seals are opened, the horsemen devastate, the beast, the harlot, the dragon … and Jesus also walks through those pages.
            Matthew 10:
            Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

            • rosario7, “I do not understand very well what you mean,”

              I know you do not understand.

              rosario7, “but the Bible does not tell everything,”

              The Bible, which is God’s Word concerning a history of salvation recorded, is sufficient for salvation. We absolutely do know of Christ’s death and resurrection.

              rosario7, “because if everything were told there, the whole truth would be necessary, people would not be so disoriented and would understand the world in which they live,”

              God spoke about people who do not understand the world in which they live.

              rosario7, “not all of us come here because we have sins”

              All of are sinners. We may not all burn a nation of people, but we all have in our own context not done what we should. Only Christ had no sin, because there is only one God. Only His accomplished work saves.

              • Jesus did many extraordinary things when he was born of a woman on Earth, but he had already done many extraordinary things on Earth, before being born as a human being on Earth, and also after being killed on Earth. But Jesus did not write the Bible, he did not correct it, he did not translate it, he did not superintend it before it was edited, everything was done by other men. Maybe you do not know that Jesus had brothers and sisters, or that he traveled outside of Palestine, or that he was in love with a woman and still loves her, that he has only had one mother and that he loves her very much, or that he is the architect of the most marvelous constructions that are still preserved from antiquity, and we can see and read, because those constructions are stone books, and that Jesus wants all this to be known by human beings, and someone has to investigate and give testimony, so that the adversaries of love, lucifer with their demons and the soulless ones that serve them, do not give us, cat for a hare. Because at the moment that is what is happening, people are eating cat thinking that it is hare. The adversaries of love, have no scruples and know a lot about deception.
                Matthew 24 ►
                For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.

              • Before The Christ was born of the virgin Mary, He being God was proclaimed and recorded in what is called the Old Testament of the promised of salvation accomplished only and uniquely by Himself carried out by Him by His earthly ministry, death, resurrection, and session. At His session the Holy Spirit proceeds from Him being the one and only unique God-man. The Holy Spirit proceeding applies the blessings The Christ alone and uniquely merited in His death and resurrection. God Himself saved His people in the unique manner in Christ alone for there is only one God.

                • Jesus does what the Father commands, but also, he does things on his own, when he sees that a person and his mission of good are in serious danger.
                  On Earth a battle is developing that can not be seen with the eyes of the face, it must be observed with the heart. Lucifer has already enslaved the human being for thousands of years, many thousands, and now wants to possess the souls of human beings; that is the real battle that is being waged right now on Earth, the tenebrous one needs many souls to proclaim himself god on Earth and everyone will be forced to adore him.

                  • Thank God Lucifer will not win. Jesus is always in control. Even the most evil act in history, His death on the cross was the attempt to kill God in the flesh. Yet God turned the most wicked act into the most glorious salvation and act of His love. He took the punishment on our behalf, so we do not need to eternally reject God in hell. Christ took the punishment we deserved, and now by His immense act of kindness His people will live in the new creation He is creating where sin, pain, and death are no more. His people are the church, for they are taken out of the wicked world and with a changed heart love and worship God. They gather in His name and praise and exalt God in recognition of God being God. The Father loved His people, sent His Son who went willingly to take on a man’s nature. God had united to only one man, because there is only one God. That one man who is uniquely very God united in the Person of The Christ accomplished a work of redemption. God saved His people. Now the Spirit willingly proceeds from Christ and the Father from heaven to apply the blessings Christ merited in His earthly ministry. He applies those blessings which are the saving graces into the lives of His people until He returns at the completion of His new creation. God did it all. His people believe that God is that kind, that loving, that gracious, that generous, that He would actually save us out of His Almighty, Immense power from the present evil world, and that He would actually give us eternal life in His new creation. We believe because we trust His Word in that what He said – He will do. He is our only hope, and He put our hope in the accomplished work of Christ in what that accomplished work means not only for the glory of God, but for the salvation of man. That is my belief, and my belief is placed in Him.

                    • On Earth a battle is developing that can not be seen with the eyes of the face, it must be observed with the heart. Lucifer has already enslaved the human being for thousands of years, many thousands, and now wants to possess the souls of human beings; that is the real battle that is being waged right now on Earth, the tenebrous one needs many souls to proclaim himself god on Earth and everyone will be forced to adore him.
                      Jesus does what the Father commands, but also, out of love, he does things on his own initiative, when he sees that a person is in serious danger and his mission of love.
                      On Earth, love is a scarce value, and in danger of extinction, when in fact anyone could give it.

        • Thanks for sharing that Rosario. 🙂

  21. The Apostate Church:

    • worship the moon shaped biscuit..

      • On RC Mass. I love how sixteenth century pastor Wilhelmus A Brakel called it their ‘bread god’.

        What makes the RC Mass exactly the same as the other pictures and an abomination of their apostasy is they are convicted firstly, only the RC priest has the power to transform by saying some words and the power of their office the bread and wine (elements) into the actual, real body of Jesus. Then they sacrifice Him every single time they do Mass. They think they have to continually murder Him over and over again in order to be infused with righteous grace. They think they are making a real sacrifice exactly the same as each of the other pictures depict. They are all apostates because Christ had come. He made His sacrifice on the cross. His blood was spilled. His sacrifice was once and for all time accomplished. All the OT (Old Testament) sacrifices and the apostate churches which formed when they left the church in the OT, these apostate churches continue to hold on to and do some things from when they were last with the church past down through their apostate tradition.

        The death of Christ and the institution of the two new sacraments in the Lord’s Supper and baptism demarcate the new era, and all these apostate churches that do animal sacrifices (or the claimed human sacrifice in the RC Mass, Hinduism, etc.) are clearly recognized. In the New Testament era, the apostate churches who had once been with the true church and so practiced the Lord’s Supper and baptism when they went into apostasy it takes more discernment to make the distinctions between the apostate church and true church. Because in the New Testament era apostate churches, which formed in the New Testament era, may continue to hold onto and do the two new sacraments as a vestige of days gone by but no longer do they understand what they are doing and are idolatrous.

  22. ‘By their fruits you shall know them’ ..

    The best measure of the effectiveness of Counterfeit Christianity is the success or failure of marriage as compared with those who profess no faith at all .. they seem to be at a loss trying to explain why there is no difference in the divorce rate .. which in fact may be worse ..

    For I hate divorce,” says the Lord, the God of Israel .. Malachi 2:16 .. is a great example of how scripture is used by the self-righteous to abuse their followers .. the Hebrew word ‘shâlach’ does not include the word ‘divorce’ in the definition but is defined as .. separation or putting away or forsaking .. and Malachi is not addressing husbands and wives .. he is addressing the unfaithful priests who have forsaken the people under their care .. but you will never hear this in church .. instead it is used to control the congregation .. because when a husband and wife divorce they rarely return and the tithe goes with them.

    Marriage, Divorce, and the Church: What do the stats say, and can marriage be happy?

    What the Research Shows About Marriage and Divorce
    One of the most common statements that I’ve seen is “Christians divorce at the same rate as non-Christians,” undoubtedly giving the world another opportunity to shout “Hypocrite!” This is controversial statement that is surely going to attract eyes and pageviews, but how accurate is it? Some sociologists are even reporting that religious conservatives divorce more than the rest of society.


    • Thanks Rev17 I didn’t know that very interesting,
      and yes by their fruits you will know them indeed…..

      ‘ Malachi is not addressing husbands and wives .. he is addressing the unfaithful priests who have forsaken the people under their care .. but you will never hear this in church .. instead it is used to control the congregation .. because when a husband and wife divorce they rarely return and the tithe goes with them.’

    • “Malachi is not addressing husbands and wives .. he is addressing the unfaithful priests who have forsaken the people under their care .. but you will never hear this in church”

      There are people who call themselves Christians, but are nominal Christians (in name only), that is nothing new. I remember when Balaam and Balak attacked the church, and so many people fell into sexual immorality, Balaam’s curse continues in the New Testament era, as written in the Peter’s epistle, Jude, and Revelation.
      The church does hear prophet Malachi’s message from the Lord concerning the forsaking of the priests. Just open the Bible and read with the family and friends, and also, the preaching in the church on corrupt overseers in the church is a wonderfully heard warning for the church. Thank God for raising up godly men like Phinehas, Josiah, Elijah, John the Baptists father who was a high priest (Zechariah), Titus, the elders of Ephesus, etc, and the now reining high priest Jesus undersheparded by His ordained pastors and elders.

      “”“Christians divorce at the same rate as non-Christians,” undoubtedly giving the world another opportunity to shout “Hypocrite!””

      What there are hypocrites in the church? Sinners are in the church? There are unrepentant and unbelievers in the church? There are people who are not perfect who go to church? Of course, is the answer. The world is fallen into a state of sin and misery. Only Christ lived the perfect life, for He is God in the flesh, and so the church worships Him.

      The more interesting approach to the issue for me, is the debate between the Donatist v. Augustinian and Cyprian (and others), which continues today. Then there are also the Antinomians, which are the other extreme of the Donatists.

      It is good to point out the ignorance of the nominal Christians and the undisciplined church. Adultery is wicked, and should be treated as such.

  23. Bloody Mary and the Catholic Church


    • The evidence supporting the Catholic Church’s involvement in the development of the Islamic religion is growing. The similarities between both are striking and convincing. The purpose of Islam, and the control of Roman Catholicism over it, was to remove the presence and influence of the true gnostic Christians from the Middle East.

      Like the Great Schism of 1054, which split the Catholic Church into East and West, there was a counter-strategy in the early days of Islam to split that religion into the Sunni and Shiite dogmas. The Sunni side was supported by Roman Catholicism, and the Shia side was more aligned with the gnostic Christians. We will explore this division, and how the use of the double-headed eagle by those aligned against the Catholic Church stretched across to Shiite Islam in future posts.

      The crusades by the Catholic Church to reclaim the Holy Land were only sanctioned when the Byzantine Empire began its war to reclaim Jerusalem from the Seljuk Turks. There are so many divisions across the geopolitical and religious grounds in the Middle East leading up to the first crusade that it becomes a tangled mess when attempting to explain it.

      But lets just look at the broad strokes. In the decades leading up the crusade the Shiite Fatmid Caliphate controlled Jerusalem. The Fatmid’s allowed Christians, Jews, and Muslims to live and worship in the city without any restrictions. The Byzantine Empire fought on and off wars with the Fatmid Caliphate in the century before the the first crusade. It was around the time frame of peace agreements between the Byzantines and Fatmids that the Byzantine Empire began to use the double-headed eagle on banners and emblems.

      The Fatmid Caliphate was doomed as it was also threatened by the Sunni Seljuk Turks. The Seljuk Turks eventually won control of Jerusalem from the Fatmids and set their sights on larger territory in what is now Iraq and Iran.

      The Byzantine emperor went to Pope Urban asking for a small contingent of fighters to assist his army in reclaiming Jerusalem. The Pope instead sent vast armies of crusaders which were not under the control of the Byzantine Empire, as originally requested.

      This should not be a surprise, as the Byzantine Empire now stood against the Church after the Great Schism of 1054. The Crusaders and the Byzantine armies were two different fighting forces, both attempting to reclaim Jerusalem before the other. The Catholic Church had to fight its own Sunni Muslims, and the Shiite Fatmid Caliphate, in order to prevent the Byzantines and Fatmids from coming together and taking full control of the Middle East.

      The Knights Templar origins began in 1119 when the order was allowed to set up headquarters on the Temple Mount by King Baldwin II of Jerusalem. There is much distortion of facts and purpose around the Templars. What we do know for certain is that after centuries of accumulating wealth and control in Europe, the Templars were turned on by the Church, ex-communicated, and had their wealth and property confiscated.

      • ” There is much distortion of facts and purpose around the Templars.”

        That is the truth. I think the original Templars were true gnostic Christians, who were later hijacked by a tribe who claimed dominion over all and currently control the world’s religions, money and crusaders. The unholy trinity.

      • The only way for me to flesh out the truth is by Christology on the issue. Who’s God, or god(s), is worshipped by the various groups? What Christ do the various groups publically confess? Islam’s Christology, as sanctioned by Saudi Arabia [1], is the Gnostic Christology [2] of the Ebonite variety (precursored itself by the Galatian heresy), which Ebonitism was a precursor to Arianism (any Ascent Theology [3]). Islam believes in the same Jesus as all Ascent Theologies, such as Unitarians, and the Semi-Pelgians of Roman Catholism. Mohammad’s (false) revelation experience as read in the Hadith demonstrates Islam’s understanding that Mohammad ascetically worked by his own nature to achieve to the plane where angels exist and revelations are experienced. Islam is very rationalized religion, which is why it problems with Jesus being the Son of God, the third Person of the Trinity. Islam can not gets its’ head around the fact that “Son” is a term God’s revealed to accommodate to man how God is. Islam only understands “Son” to mean biological; whereas Christianity understands God’s revelation of His Son is mystical[4], not biological.

        Roman Catholics, Islam, and Gnostics are the same Christologically: they are each an Ascent Theology. Christians have confessed Christ in accord with a Descent Theology.

        [1] https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Prophet-Muhammad-Ata-Ur-Rahim/dp/1879402734/ref=pd_sim_14_19?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=512D7QR9N7YMC09QTWQ7

        [2] I understand Gnosticism also includes a broader explanation than just ascetic man (ascent theology, see below). Gnosticism is about the return to the Being, but this differs from Descent Theology (see below), which understands from Scripture the Creator is not the creature (called the Creator-creature distinction, or Archetypal-Ectypal distinction).

        [3] Ascent Theology: that man by his own nature ascends to God

        [4] Decent Theology: the Son who is very God descended at the Incarnation to be the Person of Christ who is very God and very man. He is uniquely the only Person who is very God and very man, because there is only one God.

    • Thanks Rev17, another very interesting article.

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